Sports Betting for a Living? Is Earning Money from Gambling possible?

Whether it is possible to earn money from gambling and make a living from betting are questions which seem to bother many punters.
To give the short answer…

Yes, it is absolutely possible to make money with sports betting.


Man jumps from word Impossible to PossibleImage: Gualtiero Boffi (Shutterstock)

Bookmakers make money; sports analysts make a living from gambling by compiling odds for bookies; some of my own income derives from sports bettors using this website. Programmers earn a living from gambling by developing various betting applications. Manufacturers of gaming machines make money from people’s gambling habits.

I could certainly continue this list as the betting business is a big industry providing many, many people with jobs.

But this is probably not a satisfactory response for sports fans who bet themselves and pursue the dream of supplementing their income, or becoming rich from gambling one day.

However, for these hopeful punters, the answer is also clearly positive…

  • Yes: it is possible to develop long-term profitable betting strategies.
  • Yes: it is possible to find betting odds which hold value and provide a mathematical edge.

Nothing is Impossible!

The big question is whether you will manage to join the minority, the tiny crowd of betting enthusiasts who finally become successful.

Another question is whether you have the patience (and time) for acquiring the necessary knowledge to win more than you lose, because only knowledge is power; without knowledge there is no chance.

Reliance on luck is not a foundation for lasting success. With luck alone nobody can build a house – only a handful of lottery millionaires can claim the opposite.

Successful Sports Bettors – Examples

In September 2005, in “Expert Betting Advice” forum, a young woman named Maria Santonix started publishing horse racing lay bets. I followed her thread at the time, and I must say that it came across as very authentic. She published daily picks (except Saturdays) and in only 303 days, her initial bank of £3,000 increased to £100,603.78.

The thread has since been taken offline by the operators of the forum, but if you google “Maria Laying System” you will find a plethora of articles referring to her experiment. Naturally, doubt breeds skepticism and most of the responses are quite critical.

It is difficult to find really credible information about betting success on the Internet. In the majority of threads you will read statements such as “I know someone who knows someone who makes his living from betting”.

The only website I am currently aware of which has published quarterly betting results for several years is Alan Seymour’s Sports Arbitrage Review. Alan writes about his experiences as a professional arbitrage trader and has been arbing since 2002.

Famous Last Words

If you have anything substantial to contribute to this topic please leave your comment below. It will warm our hearts and be absolutely great!

As I continue to develop betting courses and tutorials, I would be very keen to learn which specific content you are interested in most.

I thank you in advance for you valuable contribution! Every thought helps to develop this website into a sparkling source of knowledge in the often far too confusing worldwide web. 😛

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124 Responses to “Sports Betting for a Living? Is Earning Money from Gambling possible?”

  1. jogomo
    5 October 2013 at 11:27 pm #

    From my brief experience in this field (betting), I think it’s possible to earn money from betting in the long run; however betting on sports for a living it’s far away in my opinion; there are too many variables involved in this venture, too many ups and downs; It requires a great deal of mental strength, patience and time as you mentioned.

    It’s not easy to have 3 good weeks in profit to finally succumb in the 4th week of a month and feel all your hard work went to trash, or more specifically when a late goal in the minute 90+3 spoils one, two or three bets every weekend, or when you calculated 85% to 90% of success and just fails miserably. Those are key moments when the big crowd of gambling enthusiasts lose their heads, trying to recover lost money with bigger stakes, gambling on anything just because it’s on TV; I went through all that and the emotional roller coaster associated with it which it’s not a healthy at all.

    I think success or failure when trying to turn betting into a steady source of income it’s mostly based on how strong your mindset is to react when it turns sour (and there are plenty of sour moments in this activity), only those who are able to lead with it the best possible way can be successful because it’s NOT EASY AT ALL!

    There’s something I found here http://soccerwidow.com/betting-advice/bookmakers/how-do-bookmakers-tick/2/ which has been tickling on my mind since I read it:

    “If you wish to become successful with any form of betting you must understand the way of thinking (the business plan) of the bookmakers. Why? Because these firms survive and thrive from the money they encourage you to lose through nothing more than your own ignorance of how their ‘system’ works.”

    Very well said.

  2. Alex
    1 November 2013 at 11:42 pm #

    Recently I started wondering what is more important in sports betting, is it more important to win, or is it more important not to lose? I think that for long-term profit is more important not to lose often using insurances like DNB or Asian Handicap, then if you bet lets say 30 games in a month and you had lost 10 you’re definitely going to make some profit, of course betting on decent odds, like not less than 1.60.

    • Soccerwidow
      2 November 2013 at 10:00 am #

      Hi Alex, the answer to your question is actually straight forward… the only important goal is to end up with a profit, that means to win more money than to lose. How you achieve this depends entirely on your personal strategy.

      For example, if your strategy would be backing a certain correct score, then you would certainly lose much more often than win a bet. But if you know how to calculate the odds, and entirely stick to value, then you’ll finish with a profit.

      There is nothing such as “decent” odds. Successful betting is all about prices/ value.

      • Amine
        9 September 2014 at 10:35 am #

        With you on this. There are no decent odds. Everything depends on how much the bookie/market is asking for the risk vs. the chances of this risk to materialize while you are holding the title (bet).

        Even a 1/100 is a great value if the risk has only 1/1000 chances to materialize.

  3. en
    13 January 2014 at 10:46 pm #

    guys Iam playing for 4 years ,lost 10.000 so far,but still say it is possible to make profit I did it many times,,the only thing why Iam not earning money on this is that Iam going mad and do not focus after Iam on top…lose is easy and easy to lose control..

    I made 1000 from 5 not from one bet but loadr in one week !! beacuse Iam focused and then withdraw and make another 2500 from 200 in 2 days….but after I thought its so easy and started to lose a but and when u start losing want to win back that u lost…and BANG all lost..;) as long as u keep controlled u vill win,but as soon as dont focus going mad there is no god help u to win a penny

    • Amine
      9 September 2014 at 10:40 am #

      I know why you lost. You made 2500 from 200 Pounds. But can you make 25000 from 2000 pounds? Or 250000 from 20000 ? Mathematically we are talking about the same thing. But from the stress/nerves perspective, it’s a different story.

      I use some strategies to turn 50 quids in 200 quids in a few days. Almost invariably. But I can’t turn 5000 to 20000 because when the stakes get at that level, the emotion plays a much bigger role.

      Now, I am playing but only within figures that make comfortable. Black tokens are not for me. But I make money that I put aside. So I am happy with that and I hope that in the next few years, I will be able to control more money on my bets.

  4. Arjuncena
    10 April 2014 at 7:20 pm #

    It is possible to make a living from sports betting. We must follow certain rules and our skills can make the difference between a hopeful and statistical punter.

    From my perspective, experience play a great role in finding winners. First of all we must have a winning system which takes into consideration the quantitative and qualitative factors which may affect the outcome of a game. For instance while analyzing quantitative factors for football match can be in terms of form, head to head encounters, goal statistics and team ratings.

    On the other hand qualitative factors can be in terms of weather condition, injuries, management change, importance of the match and so on. After devising a winning system, we must have a good staking plan for proper money management to ensure that our bet are profitable over the long term.

    All records must be kept to know our prediction rate and as such we can control the risk involved and find better ways to improve our profit. Other factors which can be crucial for succeeding in sports betting in the long run are discipline, time management, self control (not chasing losses) and self motivation.

    Thank You

  5. Robert
    14 June 2014 at 3:55 am #

    I am making $ 50 every day it’s my living. I only bring $1000 to casino . I doing this for 9 years. By discipline and knowledge u can make money.

  6. ross
    7 July 2014 at 9:28 am #

    I am currently trying to make a profit at sports betting. Whether it turns into a living remains to be seen but at the moment I seem to be doing OK. I did want to ask you one question about the research and trialing you do.

    Consider this: I have a large excel file of the 1×2 result from various leagues. I can experiment but trying different schemes such as betting on favorites or betting on the away team. As expected all of these schemes showed no profit but about a 5% to 10% loss.

    I then experimented by selecting the team to bet on randomly. The stake for each bet was calculated to return a level profit. I could repeat this over and over. Surprisingly some of these trials showed a profit, but the majority showed a loss. However the results overall were better than the other schemes. Should I conclude that it is better bet randomly than to bet on favourites?

    Also in the research you do in long term results how can you be sure that profits you find are the result of a pattern in the data rather than just random variation?


    • Soccerwidow
      8 July 2014 at 7:35 pm #

      Hi Ross,

      Betting always on favourites is not a good idea. It does not matter if randomly or with a strategy.

      Bookmakers have a tendency to match public opinion when pricing matches. They have to do this otherwise they would be forced out of business sooner than later. Just think about it – public opinion and news stories usually focus on favourites. People love betting on them because they believe if a team is marked up as the favourite it has a better chance of winning.

      In order to balance their books, bookmakers have no choice other than to reduce the odds for favourites and, therefore, favourites are priced very rarely at their true odds. Betting only on favourites invariably leads to a long-term loss, as you have figured out yourself with your own calculations.

      Here is an article which addresses this topic: How Bookmakers’ Odds Match Public Opinion

      We are right now updating our Home-Draw-Away betting tables and they will be up for sale hopefully towards the end of next week. This time we have included simulations showing profit/losses using odds clusters as well as odds ratios. The information contained in these simulations is very eye-opening and you will see that there are only very few odds cluster groups where betting on favourites returns positive results. But mainly, the tables show other approaches to make profits and move away from favourite betting.

  7. SK9
    11 July 2014 at 11:00 pm #

    Great Blog.

    A successful, legitimate betting business requires good mathematical technique, and strong correct business rules. Making a successful and sustained profit means “long run” success and this comes from acquiring a mathematical advantage (a small one) -> cumulative net profits leveraged over time -> success .

    The profits depend on good technique which you have to actively acquire. It has to be sound technique and has to be applied correctly. Your ignorance and your average risk decays exponentially, and it is never zero. This is the same as saying you learn the easy stuff quickly, and with sustained effort the more difficult skills will follow. The consequence is that success grows slowly, if at all, in the beginning. Losses should be relatively small (the price you pay for experience).

    If I may offer the following aphorisms from people wiser (and richer) than me
    Sports betting is many things, but it is never a gamble.
    Nothing is harder than thinking of ways to make easy money.
    In professional sports, everyone makes money, except the punters.
    Money does not buy success, and does not create opportunity or ability. The correct order is ability, opportunity, success then money.

    rgds SK9

  8. Tony morris
    19 July 2014 at 4:13 pm #

    I actually do make my living from betting ( on football) and I also have hopes of one day publishing the best soccer betting book there could possibly be.

    Now before I make my point let me say that soccerwidow is clearly a very smart very well informed individual.

    I understand why she writes the things she writes and overall I’m impressed by this site.

    BUT the main reason that virtually no one on here will ever make a living betting on football is Because virtually all the received wisdom on football betting is

    W R O N G !!

    By FAR the BEST / EASIEST way to make money betting on football is by doing something that sites like this say is impossible.

  9. Soccerwidow's Bloke
    21 July 2014 at 2:22 pm #

    Hello again Tony, and thanks for your ‘energetic’ comment 🙂

    The podium is all yours – Any further explanation you can provide will surely be of interest to our readers.

    Take care and good luck.

    • Tony+morris
      29 December 2014 at 10:29 am #

      Hi Soccerwidows Bloke.

      I’ve only just seen this comment. I’m a bit disappointed to find that there hasn’t been too many other posts I must say.

      I have already made you aware (by email) of what I do. I specialise in antepost sports accumulators.

      I do these bets throughout the season and, in short, the reason that I am able to overcome the overrounds is because, in effect, I am ‘trading’.

      It really annoys me to read on forums etc that ALL accumulators are bad because what I do ONLY WORKS IF you bet in multiples!!!

      As far as my ‘energetic’ commenting is concerned I ask you to forgive my ‘shouting’ but in all honesty if you were aware of the abuse etc that I have incurred on forums when all I was trying to do was HELP people you would hopefully understand my frustration.

      In fact I have given up trying to explain how what I do is the best way to bet on football because the internet is full of experts who have actually won very little curiously enough.

      But the good news is that it looks like I am very very close to finally proving beyond any reasonable doubt that my method the best way to bet on football.

      The $64000 question is however……will gambling forums admit they got it wrong!?

      I really don’t think they will. We will see.

      • Alf
        25 August 2015 at 12:24 am #

        Very interesting discussion. Personally I have been tampering with Betfair football trading, but I am wondering about Tony’s statement about only betting on multiples.

      • I_am_not_wise..yet
        6 September 2015 at 11:53 am #

        Hey Toni Morris,

        Can you please provide your detailed betting tips and advises? You’d be glad to hear that you’ve successfully caught my attention. I’ve been betting religiously over the last 2 years and have made a small profit too. But I sure as hell know that its not going to sustain longer (as it was combination of everything – luck, randomness and guts). Now that I want more, I know I would have to invest more too. And I wouldn’t do that without having any kind of insurance (sorta managing risk) albeit 100% risk-free isn’t guaranteed (AFAIK)

      • ken
        22 October 2015 at 4:38 am #

        Dear tony morris,
        I have been betting on football and gamble for 12 years . And they took everything from me. Time , money and friends.
        Can you please help me ? I just need some advice from you please buddy.
        Thank you.

  10. jordan
    16 November 2014 at 11:05 am #

    I’m still in the beginners stage where i think i’ve found a betting strategy but lack the amount of experience to discover whether its really working or whether im just getting lucky!

    I’m doubling my money on a daily basis, to find myself taking a big hit around the 7th day (because of the nature of the strategy), but still having more money after the big hit than what i starter at, so im still in a good position.

    I think my only issue is after that big hit it seems to affect my mental cool too much. However fully knowing that if i apply the same strategy again ill more than likely surpass what i had before the big hit and over a long period of time will ‘Probably’ make a steady profit. Does this mean its sustainable?

    Is there any advice other than ‘you just need to keep your cool’ that can help deal with those big blows?

    thanks, jordan

  11. Soccerwidow's Bloke
    25 November 2014 at 6:18 pm #

    Hi Jordan,

    You mention ‘the nature of the strategy’ so I assume you have analysed the situation and expect to take big hits every seventh day or so.

    If you’ve found something which seems to work, then figuring out the optimum staking plan is the next step. Applying your staking plan retrospectively to the data you have analysed using historical odds will help you see if the strategy is sustainable. The longest winning and losing streaks are also important to identify to help you set the staking plan.

    Yes, we all lose bets and there is simply no avoiding this. Taking the emotion out of betting is key to becoming a better bettor. We try to keep things as simple as possible by relying purely on numbers. Check out our flagship Probability and Value Calculator.

  12. DM
    27 December 2014 at 10:58 am #

    You can successfully make a living from betting – I do from backing horses (never laying) and I aim to make a 100pt profit per year and usually do (the lowest was 82pt in the last 10 years back in 2008). I bet to 1000 pound per point now with stakes between 1-3 pts and have on average only 7 bets a month. It requires patience and the knowledge that you will win over a year. Do not chase losing runs and you have to keep your nerve. I had a big payday yesterday as I back Silviniaco Conti in the King George back in October – 1000 e.w at 5/1…romped in yesterday at 15/8. Three months I waited for the return…! Getting on with the bookmakers is my biggest hassle and I am starting to accept clients to help me with that now.

  13. Tony+morris
    29 December 2014 at 10:13 am #

    It’s well known that you can make a living from horseracing as there are numerous well known pro gamblers who bet solely on horses. But there not many well known sports betting professional gamblers. And even I can only name a couple of pro soccer bettors.

    In theory horseracing, though much more complex, is easier to beat since there is a great deal of ‘hidden’ information which nonetheless can be gleaned by a determined, a very determined, bettor.

    Whereas in soccer pretty much ALL the available information is easily accessed by ANYONE thus in theory it’s much harder to gain an edge over the market.

    Having said that I should point out that the information I use to make a living from betting on football is right under everyone’s noses and yet they ignore it…..not realising how valuable it is one presumes!

    • Adam R
      29 December 2014 at 10:50 am #

      Hi Tony,

      I would really like to know more about your method. Is your book currently for sale? If not are there any other resources you would recommend in the meantime.

      Many thanks

  14. gareth
    1 February 2015 at 5:00 am #

    In the past I’ve always been hit and miss with my betting. Anyway I came back and had a tip from a friend basically bet on teams that are at least 2-0 up in football place about 4 or 5 in one lot so say a 4 fold with odds like 4.1/1 with them combined so for £5 it’s over 20 in return I did this a few times and actually managed to turn over 300 in a day then 2 days later made 560

    • 10arse
      6 February 2015 at 2:26 pm #

      could you explain that strategy in more detail? Thanks.

    • Epot Edafino
      10 December 2015 at 1:45 am #

      Please how do I get to contact you directly?

  15. AA
    27 March 2015 at 1:32 pm #

    I am now betting on soccer for about 5 years. And I think that its possible to make a living witht betting. I have a fulltime job and I am often making more money out of betting on soccer than my salary is. I always wanted to have a passive income. I like soccer to watch, its my hobby. I have managed to earn a good amount of money out of it. The more money I bet the more exiting I am. I tried a lots of strategys….eventually I found one good strategy. THen started with a small amount tot test my strategy…it worked.

    There are rules to the strategy…the most important thing is to stick to the rules!!!

    You have to make a lot of mistakes to finally make a good income out of betting.


    • Tony morris
      27 March 2015 at 7:32 pm #

      Hi Alan,

      Would I be right in saying that you are trading rather than straight betting seeing as you mention strategy and rules?

      If you are betting 90 minute markets I very much doubt that a strategy can help you win so much money but if I’m wrong you are probably a genius.

      So I’m going to ask you the obvious question.

      What do you think of my way of betting and may I presume you will be giving it a try?


      • addres
        1 April 2015 at 8:17 am #

        Hi Tony,

        I know you mentioned in previous posts you were thinking of sharing your football betting strategy by means of an ebook. Can I ask is it available to buy or do you offer 1 on 1 training?

        • Tony Morris
          1 April 2015 at 4:11 pm #

          Did I say that?

          If I did,I apologise to Soccerwidow.It wouldn’t be appropriate at all for me to ever use a site such as this to effectively spam.

          What I object to is having to read under The Golden Rules of Gambling and probably elsewhere I dare say,that you should NEVER bet in multiples when that is how I make my living!

          As for my strategy,all you need to know is that yes you need to bet in multiples BUT you do not bet ALL of your bank on multiples.You have to leave a certain percentage til the last month or so in Oder to hedge your multiple bets.

          The rest is up to you.It may well be the case that other people are better at this than I am once they understand why it works.As I say,you are effectively trading the long term markets (and then leveraging those trades as it were.)
          I’ve just given you more information than I ever had.
          By the way,interestingly enough,originally I was betting each- way all the time because up until 2010 there was incredible value in the place part of outright markets …..and that is how I discovered that what I now do actually works.
          Good luck.

          • Richtrader
            4 April 2015 at 11:15 pm #

            Hey Tony Morris,

            I am a former professional financial markets-trader (traded for nearly 10 years) who is now looking into sports-betting… is there a way to contact you directly? Sorry if this seems a stupid question but did not find a way on this website…

            cheers rich

    • Epot Edafino
      10 December 2015 at 1:37 am #

      I am quite new to the exciting but challenging world of betting. I have lost quite a fortune trying to make some side cash through betting until I discovered this website! Please I would like a volunteer that is ready to be supplying me good games everyday so as to make some cool cash from betting. Please any volunteer should contact me on teninteni @ yahoo. com. Thank you

  16. Mark
    31 March 2015 at 6:15 am #

    Very interesting topic and a good read. I can’t say I make money from soccer nor will I state that you can’t however I have been investing in sports for 10 years and the most profitable sports I find by far are college basketball, baseball and American football.

    I average around the 60% mark every year and are profiting. Don’t get me wrong I have lost a lot of money along the way and to be profitable it does take patience and the ability to stomach losses if you can do this backed with a winning strategy you could well be profitable.

  17. Rod
    7 April 2015 at 7:08 am #

    Hello… Thank you soccerwidow, your website has given me the refinement I needed for my betting portfolio. When I purchased one of your league 1×2 tables I was sure I was on the right direction. I’ve been betting since I was a 10 year old boy (I live in Mexico, back then a kid could walk into a shop with his dad without problems, I am 30 now), the last 4 years I started to develop a database, similar to your HDA tables. Two years ago I made a portfolio inspired by your articles and started my journey into professional betting.

    My approach is much different than yours, but it has given me results. I learned a lot from you regarding bank management and I have to say thanks to this website I developed the patience and knowledge to refine my concepts to the point of winning.

    I used data from the 2012-2013 season to start my betting on the 2013-2014 season, mostly top european leagues and some second divisions. Then I developed a new mindset for the 2014-2015 season, and so far my theory has been profitable.

    I aquired the 2010-2011, 2011-2012 data and made a back test to see if my theory hold the winnings and discover that most of my betting strategies would have given me profits since 2010.

    To make this post shorter, I have a betting portfolio that wins money. Marathon bet limited my stakes, so now I am betting only with pinnacle and betfair. But the question I have for you is this…. What do you recommend I should do if I have a winning portfolio, but I do not have the capital to exploit this advantage? Should I take a credit from my bank? Sell the system? Go to a venture capital firm?

    Thank you so much again 🙂

  18. Right Winger
    11 April 2015 at 8:12 pm #

    Hi Rod,

    My advice is not to get out of your depth too quickly. Any form of financing should be avoided as a means of raising capital. Whoever has the money to inject has the control of any business enterprise.

    With credit you of course have interest payments to make, which will skim off the top line of your betting system yield.

    Venture capital is not an option. Not only do I think you will struggle to interest anyone, but you will also have to surrender a significant portion of the profits to get investors to buy in to your operation.

    Selling the system nullifies its effectiveness and ruins your own betting revenue stream.

    It sounds like you are quite keen to take advantage as soon as possible although I would urge caution.

    Take it very slowly and on your own at the moment. Things have a habit of changing very quickly and perhaps you have not seen the full cycle of results if you have been betting for less than two seasons.

    And if you have not grown your bank to the stage where you can bet with larger stakes, then you will not fully understand the extent of liquidity in the market just yet.

    As you are only using two bookmakers, I would suggest opening accounts with many more – those which have free bet offers – undertake some ‘matched betting’ exercises to win as much ‘free money’ as you can to build up your war chest. You can easily make GBP 2000-3000 in this fashion with a month’s worth of hard work.

    And please build up your system gradually – the tendency to want to make immediate returns is the mistake that most gamblers make. Patience is the key.

    Our own system is constantly under surveillance, the staking plan is always monitored, even the average and highest odds come under scrutiny to spot trends early enough to decide whether a system still has potential (if the odds start dropping, for example.).

    We had a wonderful system betting on the 0-0 half-time score in the Icelandic league four or five seasons ago, because at the level of odds available betting on every match to be 0-0 at half-time brought a nice nest egg, purely because the odds were there. At the start of the following season, it seemed like the bookies had cottoned on to the statistical trend and the odds shortened making the whole thing unviable ever since.

    As far as being limited by bookmakers, we have only had one account cancellation around five years ago – Stan James – a firm which offered a nice free bet offer but didn’t like people taking advantage of it, even if they made money. To be honest, I made one slip and did a matched bet involving an obscure South American league game and my stakes were limited for the next two bets, with account cancellation following thereafter.

    So why have we had no trouble since? Because we never withdraw money from the bookmakers. We always match it out using an exchange and withdraw money only from the latter. It’s more time consuming but a nailed on certainty not to upset your bookie. He knows you’re doing it but he’s not going to give you up if you are always throwing money at him in lost bets which are covered in your exchange. Besides, we are usually also able to make a small arbitrage profit on the process, which pays for the extra work needed.

    If you, like us, have something which works in the long run, then the bookies are gold dust and to be treated like royalty. You really don’t want to screw the system by being limited or cancelled.

    I hope this helps and many thanks for your question.

    • audendi
      8 August 2017 at 3:07 pm #

      Hey Right Winger,

      you say ‘So why have we had no trouble since [the single account cancellation]? Because we never withdraw money from the bookmakers. We always match it out using an exchange and withdraw money only from the latter. It’s more time consuming but a nailed on certainty not to upset your bookie. He knows you’re doing it but he’s not going to give you up if you are always throwing money at him in lost bets which are covered in your exchange. Besides, we are usually also able to make a small arbitrage profit on the process, which pays for the extra work needed.’

      Can you please explain this process in more detail? Perhaps with a hypothetical example?

      And if this process is feasible, would it not suggest that a savvy bettor need never worry unduly about having any of his (or her) accounts limited or cancelled?

      Is this the same thing as betting with betting exchanges which, according to another article, charge expensive premiums?

  19. Rod
    12 April 2015 at 7:48 am #

    Thank you very much for your reply.

    At first I thought about doing this myself, but building a big bank takes a lot of time. I have struggled to save enough to invest in my portfolio for the previous seasons, it has taken time to build up, but still its little money (10,000 USD aprox as of now).

    I know about the liquidity issue with some leagues… this is why I only bet on the 1×2 market.

    I only bet on those two bookmakers because they offer an API, this helps for me to build an automated software that helps me place the bets at the proper times (odds movement is a parameter for my calculation).

    You are right about the match betting and building a war chest with the bonuses and free bets. I have not used that option, so that will help me increase a little more my current bank.

    I am also looking into my portfolio’s betting strategies all the time, constantly comparing them to past results and worst trends. I do not fear the odds because only a handful are made 100% of public information, the rest I make use of a personal way of rating the teams plus the odds movement, which makes my approach very unlikely to be copied by anyone. I have seen that some of my betting strategies have increased their profitability, and I am aware that everything changes. This has happened in the past, and this is how I have been refining my portfolio.

    I appreciate your comments and suggestions, like I said before, you have been an inspiration and your articles came at the right time when I was developing my idea, helping me know more about the concepts I thought about but did not know their names. Still, I enjoy so much your quotes articles and I think that in order to achieve great things, you need to embrace risk.

    I will continue to develop my portfolio, maybe I will incorporate other betting markets or even derivatives from my current betting strategies…. Maybe you are right, I should continue using only the money I currently have and take more risks with developing a more aggressive portfolio than looking for external capital.

    Thanks again 😉

  20. Tony Morris
    13 April 2015 at 6:51 am #

    Rod,I wonder if I could ask you a couple of questions having read your reply and also Right Wingers extremely knowledgable reply.I will quite understand if you don’t answer for any reason.
    I should confess that because of my experiences on gambling forums ( I don’t here as this isn’t really a forum) I have in fact become more intrigued by gamblers and why they gamble than in gambling itself.Indeed I think if I was young and at uni Id try to make it the subject of my thesis.

    Anyway here goes,

    1) You mention that you have spent a lot of time on this.I keep reading on forums that ” making money form betting( on soccer) takes a lot of hard work.How many hours do you think you’ve spent on this?

    2)Given that anyone who is able to figure out a profitable system from scratch is probably skilled enough to have made money if they had concentrated on something else ( could be poker or could be learning a skill which could enhance your job prospects) why choose football?
    This really is a question I’m increasingly fascinated to know the answer to( from gamblers).

    I mean why choose something that every ‘ expert’ on every forum it seems to believe is ‘hard work’?
    Do you believe that it is easier to make money betting on football than a) any other sport b) tournament poker c ) doing something completely different including just working behind a bar

    3) I have tried to make it clear on here that the best way to profit from betting on soccer is to trade outright markets and bet in multiple yet it’s velar to me that you have not the slightest intention of even trying this out for yourself.

    4) How much do you think your system is worth?

    Finally,I was mightily intrigued by you comment at the end re achieving great things through embracing risk.

    It seems to me that gambling forums are full of people who are singularly trying to bet on football while being very risk averse.

    From everything I’ve read on football betting it seems that embracing risk is not the way to do it.So be careful.

    Thanks for reading this.I want to reiterate that I am sincerely intrigued by gamblers motivation and I think that not enough bettors take their own motivation into account before embarking on a lot of apparently hard work.

    (If Rob does not answer these questions perhaps others could answer any question that applies to their experiences.Cheers)

  21. Tony Morris
    13 April 2015 at 6:54 am #

    Sorry for the mistakes.I had forgotten that I couldn’t edit.

  22. Rod
    13 April 2015 at 7:39 am #

    Hello Tony, thanks for your considering my opinion, I will try to make myself clear (I am from Mexico, not exactly 100% great at english 😉 )

    1.- I dont believe in gambling forums (I agree this is not a forum, I respect this site as a must if you want to learn about sports betting). I have been betting since I was a boy, 10 years old, family tradition. I only did multiples, we call them parlays, and my family does not believe somebody can profit from betting. I took this seriously about 6 years ago, but in a very unscientific way. I did a lot of betting all in to odds in the range of 1.01-1.25 and started experimenting with different ideas. Then I had a “Eureka” moment as to how I could exploit statistical information and how to rate the teams. I really cant say how many hours because I am still learning, experimenting, educating myself with math, excel, database arquitechture, programming, etc. Was it hard work?NO IT WAS NOT. I enjoyed every moment, suffered deeply when I had proof some of my ideas were wrong, but the motivation has always been there.

    I think that hard work does not always become success. I think its discipline and commitment to the idea. There have been months that no progress was made no matter the hours spent studying or collecting data. There have been minutes in which I made the most important aspects of my system, a reality.

    2.- I did poker, I still have a normal job, I was good at sports but hated school. I like to study, read, research, I wanted to be a musician. The common theme… Creativity. This led me to explore betting as a living, then betting different from the “pros” in the forums. I know I can apply my creative thinking into numerous things, I do it, but being successfull at football betting gives me time (via automation), money (not big enough right now), and a sense of achievement no other profession would give me (gambling background since a kid). It also becomes an example to other people that think their idea is strange, difficult, or have no social support.

    3.- I have been trying to trade inplay, I have to be honest with me, in more than 3 years I have not got a positive expected return. Its all been losing on the long rung. Multiples, will work if you have a mathematical advantage of course, but the betting management makes it more difficult handle, predicting its losing trends, winning trends and the odds I usually place my bets are high (avr 2.5-2.7).

    4.- No idea. Or maybe I do not understand what you mean. I dont think its worth X amount of dollars, I just know that I bet my savings into it.

    I think that embracing risk, is embracing the nature of life. I have seen healthy people die unexpectedly, peaceful people been murdered (I live in Mexico, violent place), embracing risk becomes difficult when you age (I am 29 years old) but when I get some children I want to teach them to defy odds, to believe in their nature, to be strong and compassionate inward…. in order to do so, I must lead by example.

    Rembember, it all starts with your human values. I love hard work but not for the sake of it. I do believe in innovation, it takes hard work but within a focused goal. My main motivation is the lessons I shall learn embracing this mindset, so I can teach others what worked for me and what did not…. and of course, I want economic freedom to devote myself to enjoy life and improve peoples life…. having several thousand dollars coming to my account via sports betting sounds like a great way to achieve this for me 😉

    I hope this helps, anything else I am here to contribute…. This website did a lot for me, paying it forward is the least I can do.

  23. Richtrader
    15 April 2015 at 9:16 am #

    Hey Guys,

    as I have posted early this month I am former professional financial-markets trader who is now looking at sports-betting with great interest.

    What I am trying to figure out is if some of the strategies that I have applied very successfully on the markets (always looking at relative-value / correlations) can be applied to sports-betting.

    Theoretically I see no reason why not, but to be honest I do not understand yet enough
    to be 100% positive.

    Now, I know from financial-markets that 95-99% (pick your number) of people posting/advertising lose money / are snake-oil salesman and therefore I am extremely cautious who to trust.

    On this site the “culture” seems different and therefore I am more inclined to beliefe that there are actually successful traders on here (and I know how important it is to collaborate with other successful traders having sat in one of the most successful trading rooms of the city of London).

    That´s why I would like to ask any of you successful “punters” to contact me to see if there is a way we could collaborate (could be exchanging trading-approaches/ideas, investments, whatever…)…

    Thank you for your time and consideration.


    • Tony
      15 April 2015 at 1:07 pm #


      I for one am telling the truth and I might be willing to at least discuss this with you.

      I’m at the point where I expect to have great difficulty getting my placed next season and that would be a big part of my motivation.

      However I’m mindful of being seen to use this site for personal gain so I will leave it up to Soccerwidow to pass on my email address should they see fit.

    • Tony
      15 April 2015 at 5:03 pm #

      Hi Rich,

      I am willing to discuss what I do with you.

      My email is amorris1820[at]gmail[dot]com

      • Soccerwidow
        16 April 2015 at 6:36 am #

        Hi Tony, Rod & Mark, it’s great to see here a lively discussion. Feel free to continue at the blog by sticking to my principle that there is nothing good in this world that is not worthwhile to be shared. 🙂

        Anyway, as you have started sharing your email addresses.. I had to amend them to following format… name[at]site[dot]ending Be careful not to leave click-able emails on the Internet, there are robots out there which read everything which is published and then start spamming the owners.

  24. Mark
    15 April 2015 at 3:07 pm #

    Hi Rich,

    Sure we would be glad to help you. Just like trading Forex and stocks there is not many who profit from sports betting in the long run (around 5% of the general public do). Most think they can win a lot without backing it up and in our industry they are known as squares. Most struggle to hit over the break even mark every year and those who do, tend to hit not much higher than the 58% mark over the year. The most I have personally came across for a year is 66% and anyone claiming above these figures is likely lying. We have averaged 62% over the last 2 years and have documented evidence along with reviews to prove such claims. Last year our £100 bettors profited around £29k alone.

    We offer a free trial for all who are interested, another way of proving that we are not all talk. After your trial should you wish to stay, you will only pay for winning selections. Each winning selections has a fee of £10.

    If you are interested please get in contact with myself, mark-docherty[at]live[dot]co.uk



  25. Tony
    15 April 2015 at 4:57 pm #


    I was not a little intrigued by your post.

    Do you mind if I ask what the 62% figure refers to? I’m assuming it can only be winning selections but then all the odds you bet at are what? Roughly evens ? So that is a particular market then?

    Also what roi does the £29,000 @ £100 come to?


  26. Rod
    15 April 2015 at 5:03 pm #

    Hello Richtrader, I dont do trading… only betting (I place my bet and wait for the game to finish). I know about the 90-95%, several years ago I even purchased a basketball tipster subscription. I was ignorant, so I lost and got deceived. Anyway, I am interested in learning how to maximize my profits, also I would love to get a critique of my betting ways.

    my email is rtgfiru[at]gmail[dot]com

  27. Richtrader
    16 April 2015 at 2:08 pm #

    Hey Everyone,

    thank you everyone for your replies.

    As I have told Rod, it is not a “finished business plan” I have in mind (yet?), just a very

    loose idea / concept that I´d like to discuss with some people who know the sports-betting market well.

    Thank you Mark too. I will give your trial a go.



  28. Sundae Mobolaji Francis.
    20 April 2015 at 1:51 am #

    Kudos guys I really like this topic and I aspire to win big someday. Im just wondering if I could dialogue with some people here and compare our thoughts. Like which league youve studied so well and i tell you my thought from other leagues.You can always get across to me in fb.

  29. discreto
    21 April 2015 at 7:25 pm #

    Hello there,

    I follow English and Spanish league mostly.
    What was it You wanted to ask/share?
    Have a good time.

  30. Junah
    22 April 2015 at 4:06 am #

    Great stuff here guys, really enjoyed the reading.Just came over this site today. Just to answer the inital question, yes it’s definitely possible. I have been living from betting for almost 11 years now, and I am still doing it. I am more of a trader than a pure bettor.I live in Mexico as well, althought I am not Mexican. I am a bit in a hurry now but will check in again tomorrow and participate in the discussion.



    • Epot Edafino
      10 December 2015 at 1:58 am #

      Hello Junah,
      Please help me out! I am new to betting and I have lost a lot of money. I would appreciate if you could be giving me winning games on a daily basis. I wouldn’t mind paying for it. Thanks. My email address is teninteni @ yahoo dot com. Thank you sir.

  31. Rod
    23 April 2015 at 12:17 am #

    Hello everyone, its good to know there are people making a living with betting/trading sports. I wanted to ask, which approach have given you more success, calculating the odds of an event to find value, or looking into how much money you could have done if you bet always on the X, Over, etc, regardless of the odds in a given situation?

    For example, I have great success in the spanish primera division betting on the outsiders, the odds range from 4 to 8. I dont know the “real” odds for a given game (in comparison to the bookmakers odds), all I know is that using my rating criteria, betting on the visiting team in this odds range I will win money.


    • Junah
      23 April 2015 at 8:42 pm #

      Rod, if you bet on outsiders with long odds, have a look at the South African Premierleague. Many outsiders winning there!

    • Tony
      10 June 2015 at 11:11 am #

      I’m sure it’s me but I’m a bit confused.

      First of all,if you genuinely believe that you may have found value by in La Liga why would you tell others about it?

      I strongly advise you not to do this!

      If there is any truth to what you say then that value will be gone by the end of next season.

      Unless no serious gambler believes you.Lets hope so!

      Secondly ,you mention your ‘rating criteria’ yet also say you don’t ‘know’ the ‘real ‘ odds in the games you are betting on.Of course no one can ever know the real odds but I took you to mean that you are betting on any team that is in the price range regardless of ratings?

      So I’m confused as go whether you are using ratings at all,thsts all.

      Good luck.Cheers for the tip!

  32. Rod
    24 April 2015 at 10:03 pm #

    Hey Junah… I also found this in Romania. The problem I encountered was the liquidity for this leagues. I will take the recommendation from RightWinger, get some matched betting and open accounts on more bookmakers, this will help with the liquidity aspect. But it still presents a problem for me, because I am trying to automate as much as possible, I only found that betfair and pinnacle give users the tools for developing an automated betting solution within their sites. Unless I dont use the closing odds variable, I wont have to wake up at 3 am on a saturday to place my bets (I did this for all this season, it really disturbed my mind). I will look into this “market inefficiencies” and develop a sustainable strategy. Thanks Junah.

  33. zikora
    5 June 2015 at 8:36 pm #

    Hello all..am a student, football betting is really great and you can
    make a living with it. Well I have this strategy that have been working well for 8months now
    And I have been making lots of money from it.
    By mathematical increasing process ..the more you play the more you grow
    If anyone needs the strategy, you can reply back and I will teach you hear.
    All I want is the standard of life to grow.

    • Tony
      10 June 2015 at 11:18 am #

      Hi zikora,

      Did I understand correctly?Are you saying you are willing to disclose the strategy thst has made you a significant amount of money on this forum?

      Perhaps instead you could give a clue as to what it is? But either way,I’m interested!


    • ken
      22 October 2015 at 5:19 am #

      Please help me! Thank you.
      My email is curlyti[at]yahoo(doc)com

  34. Bhoom
    9 June 2015 at 3:47 am #

    Hey zikoro
    I’m intrested

  35. Joe F
    10 June 2015 at 5:00 am #

    Hi People,

    I made £20,000 from £2,000 in 2 months about 2 years ago on bet365 in-play football/soccer. I spent all off that now but now considering making a living out of betting in-play which i believe i can do easily. Unfortuately i don’t have any money to start this, so if anyone would like to sort me out a loan of £1500 or would like to team up to make money or if anyone needs live tips, then don’t hesitate to email me liljoe33[at]hotmail[dot]com.
    Many Thanks.

  36. Tony
    10 June 2015 at 10:56 am #

    @ Joe F

    I had to reply to this for 3 reasons,

    1) It made me laugh

    2) I’d like to ask Joe if he thinks he has a special talent for reading games? Presumably yes since otherwise anyone with money to lend to do the same thing?
    Thus how does he believe he got this talent?

    3) Because,coincidentally enough,I have JUST started an in play thread on a gambling forum!

    In the introduction I point out that last season I seem to have lost count of the number of times I watched a game and thought that the outsiders were playing much better and then they took the lead.
    But I also said that I did not expect the thread to make a profit because it can’t possibly be that easy ( can it?).

    Because if it was any value in the prices would disappear.

  37. Rod
    11 June 2015 at 12:21 am #

    Hello, I looked for a way to upload a table I made with Excel. I published the games I have for one of my Spanish La Liga betting strategies/angles. All I can say is I use a similar method like the one soccerwidow describes here http://soccerwidow.com/football-gambling/betting-knowledge/value-betting-academy/odds-calculation-en/inflection-points-football-betting-odds/

    I have used this technique before I even knew its name, I have to thank this website for explaining me that what I do, its not crazy 🙂

    I use my ratings combined with odds and what the betting public is buying. I have to say that some strategies can be exploited only using betting odds, I use oddsportal for my data input. Soccerwidows tables are a great start by the way.

    My ratings refine my selections, providing me with higher yields, but I have found that its possible to win using those inflection points without any rating whatsoever.

    Anyway, since I cannot upload the file or an image showing my table, I can email it to anyone that is interested. I already posted my email, but this is it anyway
    rodolfotg [at] gmail [dot] com

    Thanks and good luck

    • Soccerwidow
      11 June 2015 at 7:41 am #

      For people who don’t know what Rod is talking about, here is the Inflection points article.

      Rod, feel free to email your table and/or screenshots to us, and we upload it for you and publish it here in form of a comment.

      Best wishes, Soccerwidow

    • Rod
      12 June 2015 at 7:01 am #

      I made a simple table to show the results from one of my strategies. I hope this gives us more insights into this kind of approach. I rate the teams based on past 4 games for each team and their last 3 games at home/away respectively. Then I use 3 groups (M,R,E) to scale the ratings.

      Here is the table for download: LaLiga (Excel)

  38. Jake
    16 June 2015 at 9:17 am #

    Hey all,

    I’ve been betting for about 2.5 years now. I’ve made around $7000 off of roughly $1300 in deposits. My strategy primarily consists of moneyline and in-game bets (typically next goal). I don’t suggest in-line betting unless you know the sport inside and out and can gauge the momentum. Occasionally I bet on futures and playoff series lines. The latest bet I’m riding out was actually Golden State’s series price for the NBA Championship when they were trailing 1-2 after game 3 in the series. They are now leading 3-2 and I was able to hedge my original bet at a fraction of the cost. As it stands, I can’t lose money on that bet at this point. I do also sometimes find value in placing bets on an anytime goal scorer. And I try to stay away from parlays altogether unless I want the amusement a Lotto ticket provides. I certainly don’t account for them in my traditional strategy.

    My real expertise comes with South American soccer though. I have a good knowledge of the Portuguese language so I have a competitive advantage with betting on the Brazilian Serie A league– a league that I also avidly follow. I’m a firm believer that sports betting is really only 40% statistics. The other 60% I believe is energy– think “Metaphysics of Competition.” That may sound like baloney to a lot of people but it’s what I’ve personally found to be true. If you follow team and league news, you can find some great insights as to the mentality of certain teams and how they’ll likely perform in upcoming matches. I also adhere to the Law of Opposites in regards to betting. If a team has blown out their latest opponent, often times they will struggle with goals in their following match. That’s not to say that they will lose, but it often sets up great odds for the over/under bet. At times this can seem contradictory with patterns though. Another thing… I bet very selectively. Sometimes I’ll go a week or two without finding anything I’m confident on. The way I see it, I’d rather wait and make money, than bet, take some losses, and come out with less marginal profit.

    Just recently I was given a $10 freeplay through an online sportsbook. The original bet had to be on a baseball game. That was pretty much 50/50 for me because I don’t really know a great deal about baseball other than it’s almost always about the pitcher. I won that bet and have turned $9.09 into $45 since. It’s basically taken a month. I started a tumblr to document my progress of my ultimate goal of $3000 dollars. I’ve been posting privately though because I’m afraid my sportsbook won’t give me an eventual payout if they were to find out that I was making my bets public per screenshots.

    To answer the forum question then: yes, I do truly believe that it is possible to earn a living off of sports bets, but I think it’s a lot to due with mentality and finding your niche in the sports world.

    • Tony
      4 July 2015 at 12:28 pm #

      I’d like to pick you up on a couple of things you said in your interesting post if I may.

      1) As far as I’m aware it’s rather well known that when a team scores a lot of goals in a game then it’s just as likely to score just 1 goal in it’s next game as it would have been had it scored just once. Thus I’m finding it very hard to believe that there are very good opportunities to be had on the over/ unders when this occurs.And even if there were ,once again,I must express my surprise that you would give this away on an open forum.

      2) You dont need to know anything about South American football to make money from betting on it.
      I know absolutely nothing about it ( well apart from the league tables and the upcoming fixtures and the current prices) yet I also expect to profit from it just by betting in running on the outrights.

      The point being that you could to.


  39. Rod
    17 June 2015 at 8:08 pm #

    Hello Jake, I use momentum as well for inplay betting. For short term, I dont trust statistics, only psicological factors. I still think you have to measure your bets in terms of probability… for example. The argentina-paraguay match of Copa America, I saw a big opportunity in the 2-1 score at the 75 minute. The market offered Argentina at 1.11 for laying. I was confident that Paraguay had a bigger chance of scoring the equalizer, they had a lot of momentum (which is judged subjectively). I did not see a powerful Argentina, I thought this was a lot like a coin toss and I placed my lay. If I do not think in terms of probability, I would have been disappointed if my bet did not come through and I would have over reacted if my bet won.

    I have seen this kind of opportunities come around almost every weekend, the main problem is to be patient and disciplined, which is my main problem regarding live betting, sometimes you WANT to see an angle. I have decided to specialize for games that have 0 to 1 goal difference for laying the winner or backing a winner in a draw, and only in second half using high odds (more than 2.4).

    For prematch betting, its a lot easier for me to follow the plan, I do not even watch the games I bet on unless I want to make a live play. This is were I follow 100% my model and where I find statistics to be reliable.

    I hope this season I can achieve results like yours in my live betting. Good luck.

  40. Harrison Okoyibo
    3 July 2015 at 11:16 pm #

    Making A Small Fortune Betting On Goals Markets
    I’ve decided to help the betting community with a winning trends for the upcoming football season…And, I believe this is going to be a golden opportunity for those planning to be making a living betting on football matches.

    Good luck

    • Tony
      4 July 2015 at 12:34 pm #

      Hi Harrison,

      Where will you be posting these trends please?

      How easy is it to spot these trends do you think? What skills do you need?


  41. Harrison Okoyibo
    4 July 2015 at 2:02 pm #

    Hey Tony,

    Wonderful comment… I have created a post on my web blog for update, picks and relevant information ahead of major football season! As part of my preparation for the upcoming major season….I have decide to educate punters who are ready to be making MEGA PROFIT betting and focusing on goals markets all through the season…. @ safepunters.com/making-a-small-fortune-betting-on-goals-markets/

  42. Slevin Kelevra
    23 July 2015 at 12:29 am #

    I fail to see any successful betting strategies in the article or in the opinions ? Unfortunately i ve been betting for 6 years and ive tried almost anything but i still was not able to discover a betting strategy that brings me CONSISTENT profit.

  43. Tony
    23 July 2015 at 11:13 am #

    Hi Slevin,

    I had to comment on your comment as you say you have failed to see any successful strategies in the comments.

    Am I to infer from your comment that you think I’m some kind of fantasist then?

    Have you actually ever tried my way? If not,how can you possibly know that it doesn’t work!?

    How much do I need to make this year to convince you?

    That’s a serious question and I take this opportunity to ask EVERYONE.

    Because make no mistake here people.Im not mucking around.Im FED UP of reading abject nonsense on the internet about how hard it is to make money from betting.

    In the last 2 years * I have made a profit of £500,000.

    SO,can people please let me know how much money I need to make before we can all agree that my strategy is in fact the best one.

    Once I’ve achieved this then I daresay, from what I’ve seen on forums,that 95% of gamblers will carry on betting against each other on 90 minute markets.

    But I will be able to help those who want to be helped.

    * As I’m honest let me point out that the season before I lost £15000 (from a £180,000 bank).However,in the last game of the league season Brentford hit the bar with a last gasp penalty and the other team went up the other end and scored the winner.

    If that penalty had gone in and Bees had held on for 30 seconds I would have made a £130,000 profit.

    In fact I had another chance to make £130,000 profit when Brentford hot to the play off final but they lost to Yeovil.


    Please excuse the tone but,honestly,I find gamblers utterly impossible at times.

    I mean I give away my strategy on here and someone actually comes on here and implies I’m not successful.!!!!!!

    I give up.

  44. Tony
    23 July 2015 at 11:57 am #

    I would like to add a couple more things if I may now that I have cooled down a bit.

    When I do my bets,instead of trying to win a really boring safe amount that would entail as little risk as possible I usually try to assess the situation and try to win as much as I believe is possible albeit hopefully without risking much more than about 10% of my bank.

    I do this because I am in fact attempting to prove beyond all reasonable doubt that the way I bet on football is not only profitable but the best way!

    And no one ,but NOONE ever listens to anything I say because what I do breaks all the ‘rules’ of betting( apart from money management).

    So I know that I have to make a very large amount before anyone will take notice.

    But why do I care so much about this issue?Surely I’m an idiot for wanting this method to be known?

    Well first ,I have enough money to last me the rest of my life.

    Second,I have become utterly utterly FASCINATED by gamblers.To the extent where I am just SO incredibly curious to know just what gamblers would do with my method.

    I believe I could give this away and still make money because of the,er,characteristics of the average gambler.

    (The main characteristic of course is that they are MALE.And thus they all think they know better.:) )

    Going back to my original post.Last season ,if Burnley had ended up bottom of the Premiership I would have made a £1million PROFIT!!!

    Ladbrokes would have had to payout the maximum £1million to me.

    Now what’s interesting about that is that they have made major rule changes which may or may not be due( in part) to my bets.

    Because I deliberately went after Ladbrokes as they had a £1 million limit on the Conference North and Conference South and I knew I could easily best them on these markets.

    Their current limit is now £100,000.

    Also,if Derby had gained just one more point and reached the playoffs I would have won an extra £190,000!

    This season I’m attempting a £500,000 profit although of course that will be a huge challenge 🙂


    • Josh
      11 August 2015 at 2:24 pm #

      Hi Tony I think I have a similar system can I email it to you for your opinion? thanks.

    • Kareem
      23 August 2015 at 5:34 pm #

      i really enjoyed your contributions. You have shown that impossible is not in your dictionary. Am a struggling punter and i will need your help. kindly send me the strategy and little explanation if required. I Will b looking forward my email kareemsaheed45[at]gmail[dot]com

    • Ray
      13 September 2015 at 12:08 pm #

      Hi Tony…I m a struggling punter.could you share some of your winning tips.Thanks in anticipation.

  45. Rod
    23 July 2015 at 10:30 pm #

    Tony, I have some thoughts about your comments and I hope you dont mind me expressing them.

    First, your quote “I mean I give away my strategy on here and someone actually comes on here and implies I’m not successful.!!!!!!”, when or where did you gave away your strategy?

    Second, I am with you about the betting rules everyone follows, I also believe that in order to break the market you need a different set of skills/rules. This is why I explained my method and even published a sample of one of my betting angles/strategies, I dont think is the same advise everyone gives in forums.

    Third, I wont insult you by asking some proof to what you say (I will believe in what you say until I see proof you are lying), but you have to understand that as most gamblers are male and think to know better, they also wont believe what you are saying because it goes against the nature of those unwilling to try different things, which I think, is a gambler (loses money again and again on the same mistakes and somehow expect this to pass in the future)

    Fourth, have you ever taken into account the psychologial situation the bettor is in? Sometimes people can take high risks, sometimes they cant. This does not undervalue their methods. I think the strategy needs to be connected to the individual, if it does not match it wont matter how successfull the strategy is in the long run, the bettor wont be able to hold it.

    Final thought, I am all for educating ourselves and explore different approaches, you may indeed have the BEST way, I really hope you do because it means that anyone that thinks for himself, questions the common knowledge and has a passion for finding his path to success (in whatever way you define it), has a possibility for something really good. And I think you have these characteristics. I hope you spend more time educating us rather than trying to prove you are a winner.

    Thanks and I hope you do not take my words in a negative way.

  46. William Bill
    24 July 2015 at 2:47 pm #

    Hello everyone,
    Nice interaction going here about sports betting *esp football. Well let me simply say football isn’t what you all think it is…..Its totally controlled and you can only win if you’ve taken nothing less than 2 years to understand how the scripts are being manipulated and played out on the fields everyday. Football is basically controlled by DRAWS !!!! Meaning “no draw game is a coincidence” The easiest and fastest way to earn on football betting is knowing how to read the draws.Armed with that knowledge,then you would start understanding how to decode a home or away win,even up to Goal margins or Correct scores.
    Can’t really say too much here for obvious reasons. hit me up on this addy ( 1x2guaranteedATgmailDOTcom )


  47. Harrison Okoyibo
    25 July 2015 at 9:09 pm #

    I was able to developed strategy for goal markets that I will be using for 2015/2016 football season…And I planned to be compounding my earnings all through the season…I believe it is time to make it big in the betting industry! Starting small and grow it bigger is the best way to go. Wish me well, or join me! Lol

  48. Eric Salgueiro
    27 July 2015 at 12:12 am #

    Hi everyone! First of all sorry for any grammatical errors, english is not my first english. Im a begginer who aims to be able to make a living by sports betting one day and I would like to know about the possibility of having my account limited by sites like betfair and betdaq. How real is that possibility and how you do to prevent it from happen? Thx guys

  49. Harrison Okoyibo
    28 July 2015 at 2:10 pm #

    @Eric Salgueiro,

    Successful punters with bet size +€100k have limited options when it comes to bet placement. The only place to move such large sums is on the Asian markets. Sportmarket are an invaluable tool for serious sports bettors who want the edge against Asian bookies.

    Sportmarket is a bet broker service…Read more about @ safepunters.com/dominate-over-under-total-goals-betting/

    Wishing you the best!

  50. Jonathan
    1 August 2015 at 4:03 pm #

    Hi Tony

    I know for a fact you’re not a fantasist because if you are who I think you are, i’ve read the about you in the local news.

    I’d love to help you ‘get on’ in return for advice about my betting.


  51. bennymon
    1 August 2015 at 5:44 pm #

    hi tony i would love to try your system could you explain how it works thanks delboxall[at]hotmail[dot]com

  52. jocain
    3 August 2015 at 4:13 pm #

    Hi everyone i have been reading your comments about betting and i am interested in footbal betting.

    I am a woman and i have been a fan of football and i watch most of the games even though i cannot afford to go to the actual games.

    I would like to start betting anyone interested in giving me some basic tips i am not looking to win big money all i need is to have that satisfaction of winning and i have a passion for numbers i did study accounting.

    i would love to do some trading though but i am stuck in an accounting profession at the moment

    my email add is cain_jo(at)yahoo(.)co(.)uk

  53. Rod
    6 August 2015 at 2:29 am #

    Hello jocain… I sent yo an email with some links and tips. Good luck.

  54. Jack
    9 August 2015 at 3:40 am #

    I’ve been reading a lot lately and trying to find system that works. Does these systems I’ve read reviews for work or not, especially reallytested.com/index.php/2015/07/06/bonus-bagging-reivew/? That makes sense to me, but I’m still pretty new at this. Thanks!

    • Soccerwidow
      9 August 2015 at 12:07 pm #

      Bonus Bagging or Matched Betting, however you call it. But there’s no need to pay money for a course, you can easily teach it yourself. Yes, it works: Soccerwidow’s Matched Betting Articles

  55. wallace
    11 August 2015 at 9:35 am #

    hi ur guys i have been reading all ur guys comments, i am from china we are fancy crazy with the asian handicap ,i still do believe in asian handicap got better winning opportunities than europen way,yes it is possible make a living from it with essential discipline and other factors.

  56. bobby
    20 August 2015 at 5:36 pm #

    hi guys i have reading all ur guys comments.can u help me to how can make money any links or any tips please i will thanks full you alls.

    my email address is ::: amjad24[at]hotmail[dot]co.uk

  57. kiprop
    1 September 2015 at 4:19 pm #

    personally i use my gut feeling, i look at the teams recent results and i prefer the favourites. am almost always about 65% right. i dont depend on betting for a living and dont want to but it does supplement my income.

  58. Kareem
    7 September 2015 at 10:25 am #

    Hi Rod. i will be interested in your approach and strategies. looking forward to get a reply my email kareemsaheed45[at]gmail[dot]com

  59. Florian
    9 September 2015 at 12:16 am #

    Could anyone explain why it shouldn’t be enough to simply use their HDAFU tables to create portfolios of let’s say eight strategies in eight different leagues (f.e. Backing the underdog when team xyz plays home) given that every single strategy was generating profits within the last five seasons? I mean this perfectly sounds safe. The risk that more than half of these strategies create loses that eat the gains of the remaining winning strategies must be very small then. Why shouldn’t this enough to create a stable winning and make a living out of it? I don’t get it. Also I don’t really understand why no one ever refers to these HDAFU tables when discussing. I mean the website basically is about these tables. Why would I need to calculate even value if I already have these tables??

  60. Right Winger
    12 September 2015 at 2:28 pm #

    Hi Florian,

    The HDAFU tables are essentially ‘value calculators’ in themselves – they show you the profitable areas and allow you to home in on the sweet spot in each result you choose to play. They show you where the value is in certain sectors of odds.

    Personally, I have 11 strategies playing at the moment from 8 summer leagues and although 5 of these strategies are currently in losses, the others more than make up for this and create a healthy profit.

    As far as the HDAFU tables being the focal point of the blog, although there are numerous articles attempting to explain how to use them (which are necessary as the concept to most readers is totally alien), there are many, many more articles on other subjects, which are equally as important.

    Thanks for your comment and for your continued support in both the English and German versions of the blog.

  61. topgun
    14 September 2015 at 2:55 am #

    Very interesting thoughts and comments from like minded souls, just remember we are all on the same side, and sharing is caring.

  62. Neil Curtis
    18 September 2015 at 3:36 pm #

    I’ve been experimenting for years, constantly thinking their must be a way to earn money betting. With so many types of bets and odds shifting all the time.

    I’d had promising starts but ultimately all failed. However i am currently on a 200+ day trial with 190+ bets and i am currently achieving a 10% ROI. I’m publishing all data on my website sportstrading.guru so you can see how consistent bets are and the profits over the last 8 months.

    I am laying the draw in football matches. Average lay odds are 4, and i need a strike rate of 75% to break even. Currently i am at 84%.

    I’ll keep testing this but hopefully thinks will remain consistent.


  63. Josh
    25 September 2015 at 12:55 pm #

    Has anyone tried Tony’s system and had much luck?

  64. Josh
    25 September 2015 at 1:23 pm #

    I think he was laying his multiples together and backing them with correct scores? this got shut down end of last season.

  65. Josh
    25 September 2015 at 1:52 pm #

    Because if he put every out come in multi bets he would be losing and if he layed each team in the acca he would also take a big lose if the acca came in?

  66. mohan
    26 September 2015 at 8:32 am #

    Hello friends,
    i am trying to earn from sports betting since 4 years but not able make profit if i do profit will loose fast. i am doing betting for my health issue treatment, can anyone please help me to make money. my mail id is mohankumar4004(AT)gmail(dot)com

  67. ElViejo
    28 September 2015 at 9:13 am #


    First all heil to soccerwidow and the site. It is not one of the best betting sites, it is the very best !

    Is it possible to earn money betting ?

    Yes it is !

    I am tired of 90%+ web sites stating oposite thru nonsensical so called arguments.

    My coworker did ( is ) earn about two times his monthly wage betting.

    He was using soccer combos 3 to 6 and 1 or 2 bankers. Thus it was/is possible to win big using soccer combos.

    He explained system to me. I was loseing big time. His bankers were bankers, my bankesr were losers. Of course he did NOT reveal how to choose bankers.

    After three years talking, he quit talking soccer betting, but he did continue money spending.

    In a nutshell it is possible to earn good, betting on sports.

    And yes, I do some penny betting and I do earn few euros, but it is another story.



  68. Right Winger
    28 September 2015 at 11:56 am #

    Hi Oldman,

    Thanks for your very kind words (blush!).

    Combinations or accumulators are certainly a very interesting format especially if you can choose games with staggered starts in order to lay off along the way to create a surebet situation.

    If you also take into account the fact that some bookmakers offer accumulator bonuses, you can use the weight of numbers to guarantee profit from any combination, from 3-folds to 15-folds.

    Bookmakers want you to play accumulators because the chances of winning become smaller and smaller with each leg. They offer bonuses to encourage this and also I believe to allow you to make the profits elsewhere with the ‘lay’ bet. It’s a form of arbitrage which is okay with the bookies, and can generate profits far in excess of the usual 2-3% per arb.

    Thanks for your valued comments and for your interest in Soccerwidow.

  69. abz
    1 October 2015 at 12:20 am #

    Common prob for gamblers is can’t save the money.best way to do is buy things.every time I withdrew I just straight buy my things for living and baby stuff.

  70. ElViejo
    2 October 2015 at 9:47 am #

    To abz

    good for you, great for the baby ! I used to pay for rent and utility bills.

    Now, we are talking here of betting for living.

    I have beer taste thus beer income was/is good enough for me.
    Problem is to deposit 2% up to 9% and to withdraw, up to 5%.
    Economy 101 is hard for me.

    Can someone explain howto fit numbers. I mean it is cca. 7500 a year !
    Assuming 100K capital and 45K-50K as profit goal, yearly level.

    And no I do not play accus bet. I just want to state that even accus could be good enough.
    Over and under market, or 1X2 coulod be better.



  71. Rod
    2 October 2015 at 5:29 pm #

    What I have found best is to focus on Units won/lost.

    I’ve made various simulations with my betting angles, playing them like accumulators VS a ratchet system (x% from your highest bank record), and I see that its far better, for me and most people, to make single bets.

    Psychologically speaking, its a lot easier to manage. Which makes it far easier to stick to, meaning more discipline and a better study of what may come.

    I seriously encourage you to find positive expected value strategies using inflection points techniques or true odds calculation to find value in a game. After you have a record of past results that show a profit, try to simulate betting those results in an accumulator of 1-2% stake, maybe 2 results per ticket, 3 at the most. Depending on the odds, you will see a big volatility on how you win money.

    Take those same results, place a 3%-5% stake and recalculate your stake everytime a result comes in, winning or losing (THIS IS NOT RATCHET) and you will see less volatility and maybe the same result the accumulator accomplishes.

    The most important thing to choose the staking method, either accumulators or single bets, is your psychology to withstand the losing side of your strategy. I use an aggressive system and losing 30% from my highest bank record is normal, but its always kind of hard to the mind.

    Using single bets, at 1%, and calculating your % only when you surpass your highest bank record (RATCHET) may suit you best. You would need a losing run of 100 units to wipe out your bank, that wont be easy if your betting odds are not too high.

    Find a valuable strategy, think about how much losing you can withstand and then give it time. Winning 50 units per year at 1% from your bank for each bet in a ratchet system, will give you approx 64% ROI, that is 14% more than flat betting those units. And depending on the odds you will see a much more comfortable volatility that you can endure to see the end of the season.

    Good luck to everyone.

  72. topgun
    2 October 2015 at 11:36 pm #

    May I respectfully request comment from far more worthy minds than my own, I have been trialing football goal totals in blocks of 3 parlayed to return around $1.90 / $2.00 when one drops i martingale to recover the lost unit, (i feel the shrieks) it seems to be working fine. I handicap the totals myself from statistic data and feel comfortable with my selections, has anyone been here before ? and is the devil waiting to take me down in a long losing streak.

  73. JC
    4 October 2015 at 5:22 pm #

    Hi All

    I am new to this forum I have been reading most of the posts here, I am new to betting.

    I am so interested in everything that involves risk but for the past few months I have been betting on horses and football. I use only one betting company William hill and is it allowed to open accounts with more than 2 betting shops.

    I am sure everyone ask this question , I want to know if its possible to make profit on betting and what amount is reasonable to deposit into a betting account just to be safe.

    I am also interested in Forex Trading I managed to open a demo account but I am sure there is someone here who can help with by just mentoring on how it works and if its possible to make money too with forex trading. Professionally I am an accountant and I am always eager to venture into new things and experiment.

    Many thanks

    • Matthew
      19 July 2016 at 1:11 pm #

      you should check out Mike Cruickshank’s software, start with bonus bagging then move onto profit maximiser. They have lots of training videos and use all the online bookie sites, so to answer your question yes you can have accounts with more than one bookie, however some are owned by the same company just be aware of this e.g. Paddy Power and Betfair. I would use his methods for 80% of your total betting but come up with a 20% system where you appear to be like every other punter. Bookies have software which can tell if your constantly taking bets above the Betfair lay odds, this is arbitrage betting but for a sustainable long term income you need to mix it up a bit. I learned this the hard way after being banned from many sites and excluded from promotions on even more.

  74. super83
    8 November 2015 at 1:43 pm #

    Hi everyone, Pls I need a tip for successful betting,I’ve been playing matchbet for sometime now and have not won.pls somebody help me I need money for a serious project thanks and God bless

    • Christos
      26 November 2015 at 11:22 pm #

      Super83 where are you from?

  75. Christos
    28 November 2015 at 12:28 am #

    I want someone who bets into a betting exchange site to cooperate with.

  76. Craig
    7 December 2015 at 5:11 am #

    Hi soccerwidow,

    Scanned through this thread and am new to the site, what has brought me is an interest to start making a decent amount of money on the side as I know its possible through sports betting.

    Now I have had a few accas up and won a bit but mainly lost and wasted money on rather stupid bets, overall though I am a complete rookie. I came across free football tipster on facebook who does betting challanges, he starting usually from £20 to £1K, £10K, £50K etc. his system is that he puts a the ‘safest’ bet of the day on at odds around 1/3, usually Asian handicaps, or alternative goal lines, he also does some inplay bets on over a certain amount of goals or teams to score before a certain time.

    Now I believe this is an okay system to use could be better. The tipster though continues to put on the full stake on every bet the orignal 20 + winnings in order to get to his challenge target after 10-30 bets. I have followed him for a around a week and he hasn’t got past bet 6 yet and usually doesn’t make over £100, maybe a con ? He has mentioned on his page that he has just won two 10k challanges, I think this is also due to the tipster rushing the challanges, originally saying one ‘safe’ bet a day but in reality putting 1 pre bet a day with maybe another 2 inplay bets on the same day. What the tipster also doesn’t tell his followers is that he gets money promoting bet356 and commision for bets put on (I believe) through an autoload slip and pays a percentage for every time the bookmaker gets beat ( again so I believe).

    My question to you is that is this a viable system, do you think this is a good system to use and how would you yourself change it any way ? Not putting full stake + winnings on ?

    I believe this system could work and is a rough copy if you will of what I am thinking of doing, I want to calculate my true odds for matches and take my time building my war chest as you said, before trying different techniques like Tony’s multiples, (which I still don’t all understand its all still a bit confusing). I also like your advice on signing up to different bookmakers to get and utilise their free bets offers and I will start my venture through these. Any other tips for a novice as myself moving forward using this kind of system ? Or do you think it is bound to lose over the long run ?

    I do think I could hit big money and would not be scared putting large bets with money that has been won and not out my own pocket, but a great quote that caught my eye is this my ‘ignorance’ getting the better of me by thinking I know how the bookmaker system works ?

    Thanks, Craig.

  77. Right Winger
    7 December 2015 at 1:30 pm #

    Dear Craig,


    That’s a lot to take in.

    Firstly, our view on Tipster services is that they are unnecessary and in most cases, with moderate Excel skills and access to historical statistics, you can usually do the job better yourself.

    I mean, would you trust any service where you have no access to their method of bet selection?

    Most Tipsters rely on affiliate income if they are promoting a bookmaker. They don’t care if you win or lose. In fact, they would rather you lose so that they get paid their percentage of the bookmaker’s earnings. Your perception of getting paid ‘when the bookmaker gets beat’ is entirely the wrong way ’round.

    You also have no idea if there is any ‘value’ present in the bets that are being recommended for you. In effect, you are putting ‘blind faith’ in someone else’s suggestions.

    At such short odds of 1/3, you must understand that statistically speaking, the bet has an implied chance of winning of 75%. Therefore every bet at this price must also have an implied chance of losing of 25%. One in four bets on average will lose.

    So, to answer your question, ‘is this a viable system’, I cannot say either way as you have not provided enough information for me to judge it objectively.

    I will say that such a service should be avoided at all costs though. If someone has a successful system, do you think they would share it on a widespread scale? These things operate like a fruit machine – paying out just enough to keep you playing.

    Soccerwidow does not offer any system for sale. We only offer products to help you build your own. My advice is to read all you can on this site under the ‘Football and Gambling‘ section, and then to educate yourself further by looking at other gambling advice sites.

    Paper test any theory you may find until it works in practice. Never gamble money on anything you have not seen working at first hand. Trust only your own calculations.

    Oh, and avoid accumulators!!!

    Follow this advice, work hard, and maybe you will make money. If it were that easy, there wouldn’t be bookmakers – the punters would have closed them all down.

    Craig, I hope this helps and thanks for taking the time and trouble with your missive.

  78. James
    10 December 2015 at 11:35 pm #

    if that easy everyone be doing it …so it ain’t easy and I have tried. You need to know a lot, am no football fan but with many people with football knowledge, do they win bets? Not often, if they did, bookies wouldn’t be around. Also looking at the maths, the odds don’t favor the gambler at all. Why do you think favorites have bad odds, it is because they can win, which bookies need to put their odds like that, everyone probably knows that. So you lose more than you win….not easy not easy at all……………

  79. David
    16 May 2016 at 2:49 pm #

    Running a single sports tipster is dangerous! If they have a bad month, then so do you. However, if you research tipsters that have good long term profits and use more of them, your balance and income will grow considerably. If one in three of your services have a bad month, you should make money. The earning potential is much higher with tipsters and takes a lot less time than matched betting. Matched betting can also cause credit-rating problems as each bookie will do a credit and ID check on you which will come up on your report. Some of them will then automatically redo your check. There is a free guide to using tipsters at: Racinghints.com

  80. Simon
    30 November 2016 at 11:16 pm #

    The guys are right, tipsters run on affiliate commission so their tips are pre-determined by the bookmaker making them win every time.

    Free bet bonus bagging has been the only way to really bash the bookies. I’ve been using Profit Accumulator for nearly over 2 weeks and have made £790 profit, not bad only being able to commit much time with my full time job. I learned by this full tutorial: No Risk Matched Betting -Profit Accumulator

    Wish all the fellow matched bettors luck!!

  81. Tony
    2 December 2016 at 7:31 am #

    @Right Winger

    “If someone has a successful system do you think they would share it on a widespread scale? ” you ask in a recent post above.

    May I point out that that’s EXACTLY what I’ve been trying to do for years!!!!!!!!

    I dont know if my earlier posts are still there and dont want to see either way (I’m funny that way)

    Almost everything I read about soccer betting on the internet is wrong or

    The best way to make money from betting on sports is to place a whole series of multiples bets on long term markets throughout the season in such a way that most of them are hedges on each other and employing very good money management.

    There. I’ve just given away my system. But you will say I haven’t given away how to do it.

    But I shouldn’t need to. Long term markets are truly truly truly not hard to beat.

    They really aren’t. And that’s all the information you need.

    That and one other thing. The only way to learn how to do this is to try it.

    But of course you won’t.

    • Jonathan
      2 December 2016 at 10:14 am #

      Tony I know for a fact you’re right because I’ve seen the press coverage about your winnings. I promise I’m going to try this but it’s hard with so little detail.

      • Tony
        22 June 2017 at 7:13 pm #

        Hi, I’m sorry I only just saw this comment. You saw press coverage of my winnings?

        Well if that was relating to several years ago I should in all honestly let you know that I did not make £1 million in 4 years! That was a mistake by the reporter.

        However last season I just missed out on a record amount.

        Had Doncaster Rovers won just one of their last 4 games I would have won £1,500,000!

        And I’m probably going to show those bets on here.

        However in the meantime I really need to emphasise that last season was very very unusual. And anyone wanting to try to make a profit from betting multiples on long term markets should take the following advice;

        Please please please only bet small stakes in relation to your bank.
        Do not place any bets until mid December at the earliest
        Do not put more than 6 selections in any bet.
        Try to concentrate on markets where there is an odds on favourite at about 4-6/ 1-2 and there is a clear second favourite while the next in the betting is at least 5 -1.
        Try to understand that you are in effect trading these markets.

        • Jonathan
          22 June 2017 at 8:51 pm #

          Yes I did.

          Well even if the amounts weren’t quite right it is still very impressive.

          Thank you for the advice, I’m going to try implement it this season.

  82. Tom
    4 December 2016 at 10:55 pm #

    Take a look at mattsmosaic on twitter he wins 4 to 5 hundred a month not a massive amount I know but it’s regular and he has stated he might go full time ,hope this helps

  83. prince
    25 October 2017 at 11:11 pm #

    how do i bet, i’m a novice to sports betting, and i dont watch football at all.
    do i have chance

    • Right Winger
      31 October 2017 at 2:16 pm #

      Hello Prince,

      Firstly, you don’t need to know anything about football to become a successful punter – your success will be governed by your ability to understand numbers, how the market operates, how to identify the advantage of ‘value’ with every game you analyse, an understanding of bank roll management, and a good level of maths and Excel skills.

      Don’t commit any money until you have a thorough understanding of what it takes to embark on a betting campaign. And don’t begin gambling until you have paper tested a system and become familiar enough with it to have full control over betting decisions, staking, and financial targets.

      In short, it is entirely possible to make a living with betting but like any discipline, the preparation and training is key.

      Take your time, don’t rush into anything and when you are eventually ready to bet, don’t spend more than you can afford to lose.

      Good luck!

    • Tony
      31 October 2017 at 4:01 pm #

      I guess this is a reply to Right Winger too.
      I mostly agree that you font need to know about football to make money betting on it however the fact is that you can make money from 90 minute markets by knowing that there are certain circumstances that occur year in year out that only people who know football know about.
      Although it amuses me that most soccer fans clearly don’t know about these circumstances or else the value would disappear.
      The problem is that these situations don’t occur often enough to make a lot of money without controlling risk and that’s where numbers come into betting. The point about the numbers is that they give you a small edge in a lot more games.
      However my main point is that I disagree totally thst you should not bet until you really know what you are doing.
      As I keep saying ,the easiest (and most entertaining ) way to make a profit from betting is to bet multiples on outright markets .*
      But you really need to jump in and place small -that’s very important,small-bets on in multiples on outright markets from about mid `December . Most of your selections will be quite obvious.
      I really don’t think you can learn to do what I do by paper trading. You just learn much more much faster when dome thing is at stake.
      You need to make mistakes.

      * `I have said previously that I may show a couple of my bets. I’m still intending to but I am seriously considering plastering my bets all over the internet some time in the near future.
      I mean on 100s of non gambling forums based all over the world. Together with an explanation of why this us the easiest way to profit from betting and shy it’s the most satisfying way.
      I have tried using gambling forums to get my message across and yet they persist in telling young people to bet on 90 minute markets when it should be obvious thst it is getting harder and harder to profit from such markets as competition increases.
      I may also just send all my winning bets to the national press. But I’m not after publicity so that’s a last resort.

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