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How we made £10k in 178 days with the Summer League HDAFU Tables


They say that the proof of the pudding is always in the eating.

Here is the story of how we made over £10,000 in 178 match days from £100 level stakes during 2016 with a straightforward series of backing systems made up of a portfolio of nine leagues from our Summer League HDAFU tables. (Click Here: 14 leagues for 2017 now available for sale).

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Overview of the Monitoring Workbook

1) Summary Tab

Here you will see the 15 separate systems we decided to play with; a well-balanced mixture of backing home wins and favourites (six systems: low risk/low return) and away wins and underdogs (nine systems: higher risk/higher return).

At the time of analysis, although there were viable systems for the draw apparent, other systems took preference. (However, we do employ several draw systems in our Winter League portfolio).

You will also see that in certain leagues, we ran different systems in the first and second halves of their seasons. In other leagues, the system chosen was a better fit for the whole of the season (U.S.A., Finland and Japan).

Analysing our HDAFU tables is now a much faster exercise than ever before despite the fact that each league now comes with three separate workbooks: one to demonstrate the five full seasons approach; one limited to games in the first half of each season; one limited to games in the second half of each season.

As frequently happens, there is more than one opportunity to analyse in each of the three workbooks, but we take only the most promising system per league, or two if the league is split into half seasons. Read more about this approach here.

Running more than one system per league in the same market (in this case, the 1×2 market) causes confusion with conflicting betting decisions. It also means relying on something that is not the most promising in that league to help support the portfolio as a whole. With portfolio betting it is essential to field the strongest team from the start without involving any also-rans.

If we were to start mixing the best performing systems with lesser ones then we would be mixing apples with pears. The sweet tasting apple pie we hoped to bake would be contaminated. Always better to compare and match apples with apples.

On the whole, the time taken to analyse and then decide upon which system to support was no more than a couple of hours per league, sometimes a little more, sometimes less.

For the nine leagues represented, we spent less than 20 hours coming up with the 15 systems.

i) Expectations Prior to 2016 Season

In columns F-P, you will see a complete breakdown of the figures our 15 systems forecasted for the 2016 season in each league.

You will also see a box entitled Possible Yield Range (Row 30). We have highlighted the Average Yield and Lowest Yield expected, which you will see is between 23.86% and 1.58%. This is the more realistic threshold we expected our final result to occupy.

The Highest Yield expected of 46.05% is an arbitrary figure. It is virtually impossible to achieve for the following reasons:

  • It represents a cherry-picking exercise because the 46.05% figure is a synthesis of each league’s single highest profit season from the five analysed. Which season is the ‘best’ is also unlikely to be the same one in different leagues. For example, it might be the 2015 season in Japan and 2016 in Sweden.

    Although there is a tiny possibility that all nine of our leagues simultaneously experience their best season in the last six in the bet types we are targeting, the statistical chance is negligible.

  • The HDAFU tables are based on highest market odds at the close of the ante post market and it is extremely unlikely that you will obtain the highest odds available with every bet you place. The more realistic expectation is therefore always going to be less than the Highest Yield forecast.
  • Some of our 15 systems were bound to fail although guessing which ones would was impossible to answer. We knew this before we even started. There are several reasons for this:
  1. We chose systems which showed a historical profit in at least four of the five seasons analysed. Even with a system based on five seasons’ profit, there would still be chance of it failing in the sixth season.
  2. The league may experience a lower than average hit-rate in the new season. In fact, the coming season may be an anomalous one altogether. For example, it records the worst hit-rate for home wins in the last 10 seasons. Without the need for a complicated mathematical calculation we can say right away that there is a basic one in 10 chance of this occurring, and 10% is 10%, not zero.

    The more leagues and systems used, the more times this chance is faced and 10-year record highs and lows have to be set sometime. Of course, if we narrow things down and say that the league records its worst set of home wins in the next season (the sixth: the one after our five seasons’ analysis), the chance of the new season being the worst of the last six is a basic one in six (16.67%).

    Likewise, for a bet type to record its best results for 10 seasons, the chance is again 10%, and 16.67% in the last six seasons.

    Of course, the reality of the overall performance is likely to be somewhere in the middle (a standard distribution bell curve). Not all systems will fail and not all will over-achieve but by picking the sweet spots in the historical results, our chances of overall success are enhanced.

  3. Bookmaker odds across the board may be slightly lower than usual. We have definitely seen evidence in the data we have collected over the years that there are some seasons where the odds setting for a particular bet type is markedly different from previous seasons. It’s not often, but it does happen. It may not influence whether you make a profit, but it will affect the size of it.
  4. Next Page: Season Results and Post-Mortem


Last Update: 19 February 2017

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42 Responses to “How we made £10k in 178 days with the Summer League HDAFU Tables”

  1. jo
    20 February 2017 at 10:13 pm #

    Hi Right Winger,

    I suppose it would take a separate article to clarify that, but can you at least give some comments about your stake management tweaks you’re going to implement in the next season? How you’re going to set those limits when stakes will be reduced and vice versa?

  2. Right Winger
    20 February 2017 at 11:37 pm #

    Hello Jo,

    With the progressive nature of the system, we will set ourselves bankroll growth targets.

    For example, if the bankroll grows by +5%, stakes will increase by +5% until the next target is met.

    Of course, the stop-loss mechanism is driven to some extent by the stake ratchet and the bankroll growth. Revised stop-loss financial thresholds need setting as soon as stakes are adjusted upwards.

    When the system isn’t going forwards, the stop-loss mechanism will provide some insulation against losses. It works in reverse to the growth method. Setting of this figure may also depend upon the nature of each system: low risk/low return or high risk/high return – for us probably set at 45% and 30%, respectively.

    Of course, it goes without saying that each individual system within our portfolio will be managed on its own criteria. Setting of starting bank for each system is done according to maximum expected losing streak.

    But honestly, it’s about personal choice, the size of your starting bank, the size of your initial stakes, your attitude to risk, the balance of your portfolio, and yes, you’re right – I could fill an article with thoughts on this!

    Thanks for your question Jo, and for your valuable custom.

    • Daniele
      1 March 2017 at 5:02 am #

      I am very interested in knowing the criteria for managing the starting bankroll. It seems that the campaign described in this article was managed using a single bankroll, yet now you said that it is advised to split the bankroll according to every single system. That would mean that if a single system exceeds the forecasted maximum losing streak, it’s bankroll goes to 0 and the system failed, with no need to continue betting on it. Is that the approach you are suggesting? So let’s say that one of my systems have a predicted maximum losing streak of 8. I decide to set the bankroll for this particular system to 10 units accordingly. If the balance of this system reaches 0 before the end of the season i stop the betting associated with it and focus on the other systems. That approach leaves room for a very limited numbers of systems. Some systems may have losing streaks of 20, 30. You had 15 systems in your campaign, and based on this assumptions the initial bankroll could have easy exceeded 10000£, based on the 100£ units described. If you have to run a winter leagues systems parallel to this, that can double the amount (again, choosing just a limited amount of systems).I guess this is the slowest and safest course of action to be protected against bad runs. I am curious though if thanks to the synergies from the other systems this can be pushed a little bit more to be able to include more systems/betting opportunities. That would work better without splitting the main bankroll system to system but then again some kind of calculation would be required to monitor the growing risk of adding new systems. I would really be interested in reading an article from you talking about setting up and managing your bankroll for this type of strategy. As we can convene that managing your bankroll is a vital, if not the most important, part of the business.

      • Right Winger
        1 March 2017 at 3:37 pm #

        Hi Daniele,

        Thanks for the many questions!

        Yes, the 2016 campaign was based on flat stakes and the starting bank was less than £2,500.

        Now we have a larger starting bank, what we are doing in 2017 is employing both a stop-loss and ratchet system to make more of our money going forwards.

        Starting off with flat stakes in each system again, we have bankroll growth targets in each system. Once bankroll has increased by 5%, stakes will be increased by 5%. If the bankroll reaches 10% growth from the starting figure, we will ratchet-up the stakes again to 110% of the original figure, and so on.

        Likewise, we will employ a stop-loss at the other end to reduce losses such as our Norway example. It will work in complete reverse to the ratchet system. If the system is failing, the stakes will therefore become progressively smaller to reduce the risk to the overall portfolio. It’s effectively a layer of insurance.

        Our entire bankroll is quantified by the maximum losing streak of the riskiest system. For example, if we start off staking 100 units per bet, and the riskiest system shows a predicted maximum losing streak of 15, then our overall portfolio bankroll will be set at 2-3 times this amount (depending upon personal preference and balance of your portfolio). Say our portfolio has a healthy balance of low risk, medium risk and high risk systems. Maximum losing streak in our riskiest system is 15. Stake is 100 per bet. 100 x 15 x 2 = 3,000 unit starting bank.

        Preferably, you should maintain a healthy balance of risk in your portfolio. Choose a higher multiplier if you need extra reassurance or security. 100 x 15 x 3 = 4,500 starting bank.

        Because of the synergy factor it is literally impossible to lose your entire bankroll if you have a large enough portfolio (at least 500 bets in the campaign), a healthy balance of risk within it, and an adequate starting bank. (Plus the discipline to stick to the game plan).

        With regards to allocating the starting bank per system, we were unable to do this properly during 2016 due to the relatively small size of our starting bank. In the new season, we will employ more systems, but the starting stake will be the same 100 units – although the starting bankroll is larger, it will have to cope with larger numbers of bets, and we need to ensure we always have enough money in our bookmaker accounts to feed the portfolio.

        We therefore apply nominal starting bankroll values to each system based on the maximum losing streak of that system. In other words, these are paper figures which set the thresholds for managing each system with the ratchet and stop-loss mechanisms. They do not represent proportions of the actual starting bankroll but merely act as guides as to when stakes should be increased and when they should be reduced.

        This is a difficult concept for some people to understand but when your bankroll isn’t large enough to physically allocate proportionately to each system, then having a virtual bankroll for each system is the only way of managing it.

        You mention considering systems with up to a maximum of 30 losing bets in a row. Personally speaking, we look for systems under losing streaks of 20. We want the portfolio to be as tight as possible. The synergy effect is lessened by including systems with losing streaks as high as 20 and beyond. The portfolio gets too stretched and the lower risk supporting bets have trouble making up for the greater losses in the higher risk systems.

        Phew, a long answer, but I hope this helps!

  3. zinphyosein
    23 February 2017 at 7:07 pm #

    hi , may i know if this is so called value betting or system betting?

  4. Right Winger
    23 February 2017 at 9:25 pm #

    Hi Zinphyosein,

    This is system betting, with value always on your side.

    The approach is more fully explained in our User Guide article.

    Thanks for your question!

  5. jo
    23 February 2017 at 10:18 pm #

    Hi Right Winger,

    in the end of the article you said that bet types for the next season might remain the same, but odds parameters change every season. After doing my own analysis for the next season of Ireland and Japan I found out that not only the bet types, but also odds ranges can virtually remain the same. It’s only the the bottom of the range that barely changed – like 0.01. The top of the range can be shorter, the same or longer odds than it was in the last season, but I would be fine either way. Of course, yield, ROI and number of bets differ noticeably. Some systems with shorter or longer top odds would provide better yield and ROI, but bottom odds of the range are virtually the same. I read your words, stare at the numbers I came up to, and find myself confused. Maybe you have a comment about it…

    • Right Winger
      24 February 2017 at 5:17 pm #

      Hello again Jo,

      I am not 100% sure what you mean by, “After doing my own analysis for the next season of Ireland and Japan I found out that not only the bet types, but also odds ranges can virtually remain the same.”

      Perhaps look at our HDAFU Table User Guide article for the definitive way of analysing the tables.

      If you are looking at Japan and Ireland from the perspective of comparing the 2016 HDAFU table with the 2017 table, then look at only the whole season analysis in the latter. Compare the two tables using the methods outlined in the User Guide, and then let me know what you think.

      Good luck and thanks for your question.

  6. jo
    24 February 2017 at 7:48 pm #

    I mean I sorted data and results indicate that betting exactly same bet types and odds ranges in the 2017 season you bet in 2016 of Ireland and Japan leagues would still work well. But at the end of this article you said that odds parameters change every season and they would not work in the next season. This is what confused me. Thanks for the link, I didn’t see those updates yet. I will read it carefully, but after quick look I’m sure I managed to do everything like it’s explained in the article. The only thing I didn’t do is I didn’t include favourites and underdogs odds in the sorting, but since I didn’t care about backing them, I suppose sorting results didn’t go wrong?

  7. jo
    25 February 2017 at 3:00 am #

    Hi Right Winger,

    I read the article and detected my mistake. It was wrong filtering, To filter data I relied on graph helper columns in Inflection points tab. Now I filtered Paraguayan tables right and wrong ways and in the latter zero odds were 3.016. 0.01 difference compared with correct 3.006, but once I redo Japan and Ireland I should find much larger deviations, since every possible strategy I considered have zero odds somewhere in between of my targeted odds range, not below. HDAFU user guide was really helpful to understand how to filter data and what to look for (zero odds lower than first inflection point value), without it I would’ve gone wrong.

  8. zinphyosein
    25 February 2017 at 10:18 am #

    hi,
    may i know how u calculate the average highest profit and lowest profit in summary tab in excel?

    • Right Winger
      1 March 2017 at 3:48 pm #

      Hello again Zin,

      Highest is as stated a purely arbitrary figure made up of the synthesis of the highest single season in each league. As this is not necessarily the same season in each league, it represents only what is possible if the neglible chance does in fact transpire. In other words, if every one of our systems hits a 6-season high in the new season. You will agree this is pretty unlikely.

      Lowest is exactly the same as the highest, but in reverse.

      Average is the more realistic target.

      I hope this helps.

  9. zinphyosein
    25 February 2017 at 6:28 pm #

    hello,
    how can i find in this example excel file can i buy from u or i need to create myself like u?

    • Right Winger
      1 March 2017 at 3:50 pm #

      Zin,

      Sorry, I’m not sure I understand the question. If you want to buy any of the 14 Summer League Excel files (you get three for each league), then you can buy them here.

  10. Daniele
    28 February 2017 at 12:34 pm #

    Hello Right Winger,

    i want to ask you: in what timeframe do you usually place your system bets? Do you wait as much as possible before kick off time or you use other cryterias? I found that if one should wait for the closest possible time, with multiple championships this can be really difficult to manage. However, i also found that odds (even higher odds) tend to change frequently during the last hours pre kick off. So i am curious about how do you manage this particular matter.

    Thanks for your time!

    • Right Winger
      1 March 2017 at 3:59 pm #

      Hello again Daniele,

      We place the bets always within the last hour before kick-off. Our analysis is based on odds at close of the ante post market, and we want to operate as close to this benchmark as possible to be true to our analysis.

      The odds do fluctuate a lot in some cases as soon as team news is released, which is usually an hour or less before kick-off time.

      If a price is within our threshold inflection points, we place the bet regardless.

      If it is close to the inflection points but not quite in the threshold, we request a price that is high enough to place the odds within our threshold using betting exchanges (of course calculating net of the exchange’s commission rate).

      Yes, it is hard work, and a lot of attention to detail is required but if you want the best fruits, you have to climb the trees, as they say…

  11. jo
    1 March 2017 at 7:33 pm #

    Hi Right Winger,

    If you place bets always within the last hour before kick-off, your night sleep must get interrupted multiple times when you bet on MLS, Brazil, Japan, especially MLS! Whole round of matches can be kicking off all night long, every 1 or 2 hours over there. And when the next day breaks it’s time for Europe, no time to sleep normally again, weekends must be crazy for you. No normal sleep for 48 hours on weekends, is it really true for you? Yes, you can still assist each other with Soccerwidow, but still… omg.

    And in this article you say:
    “Days of the week or months of the year – We have never had any need to feel superstitious. It really doesn’t matter which days you bet on. The key is to bet on every match which fulfils the requirements of each system without missing any (which is an achievement in itself).”

    You still decided to be superstitious for the best fruits. Is it ok to bet earlier than 1 hour before kick-off, did you try to run any analysis what happens when you bet earlier than 1 hour before kick-off? At the time of the match day let’s say. Usulally 6-8 hours before kick off. Not everyone has somebody to share this activity to do with.

  12. Right Winger
    1 March 2017 at 9:17 pm #

    Hi Jo,

    Okay, I think you need a little more background information to put your mind at rest.

    Firstly, there are two of us involved with the betting side of Soccerwidow. I am the night owl and Soccerwidow is the early bird.

    I have to admit that we’ve never had any problems covering the kick-off times together, although Japan did cause a few headaches in 2016.

    Secondly, many of the prices for games within our inflection points are deep in the middle of those parameters. It won’t matter what team news or other factors sway these odds – they will always be within our parameters.

    If the times of some of our matches are inconvenient, and the odds are in the middle of our inflection points, we always have the option of placing the bets when more convenient to us. If the odds of the inconvenient games are above our filtered zero odds then they can probably be placed immediately. We did this with no more than a handful of bets last year and we are still figuring out whether it is something we can employ on a wider scale.

    Until we reach a conclusion here (probably at the end of the 2016-17 Winter Leagues), then I will still advise people to follow what we did, rather than modifying it based on an unproven idea.

    Thirdly, I am physically disabled. I have a problem with my mobility and don’t get out much, which is why the time of day is not so important to me as it might be to you.

    I can’t claim benefits from the state, and therefore the Soccerwidow website plus our betting activities is the only source of income we have. On top of this, Soccerwidow herself suffered a serious head injury in 2013, so you could say that together we make one good, whole person – but neither of us is 100%. If we didn’t put ourselves out and make the sacrifices we need to make in order to stay above water then I don’t know where we would be. Desperation has a funny habit of forcing you to succeed sometimes.

    Therefore, yes, I believe it was a real achievement last year and an experience that we learned an awful amount from. The Winter League 2016-17 campaign is much slicker as a result of practising with a smaller portfolio. We only had a small bankroll to begin with and the decision to risk what little money we had was not taken lightly.

    Jo, I’m again not sure what you mean when you say “You still decided to be superstitious for the best fruits”?

    All I can say is that we are not superstitious at all. We work with hard facts and numbers only. And we work very, very hard. No-one should say gambling is easy. It isn’t at all. It’s something that requires a huge amount of knowledge like any profession, and my personal experience in the field of risk management is now just a month shy of 30 whole years.

    But I’m not bullish enough to say I know it all. I never will. All I can do is continue to learn, and with a 23-year career in high-end corporate insurance behind me, I am a very risk averse person.

    Thanks again for your points. I hope I’ve answered them adequately enough.

    • jo
      2 March 2017 at 12:59 am #

      Hi Right Winger,

      thank you for your long answer. I’m sorry for your disability, I had the “chance” to feel this myself once and hopefully the last time in my life.

      Saying superstitious I meant the time when you place your bets. In your reply to Daniele it’s clear you’re quite strict about it. And in the article you wrote “It really doesn’t matter which days you bet on.” So, i wanted more clarification about it. I do this on paper for more than a year now and I feel how hard and time consuming it is. And I didn’t feel all of it yet. And you even manage to run this site, publish new articles, it’s incredible.

      Since we talk about bets placement time, maybe I can ask would it be wise to use some betting bots or trading software of betting exchanges at times when you simply can’t place bets on your own? It probably won’t be the best odds compared with bookmakers, but maybe better than nothing? There might be many reasons why you can’t bet for days and they happen from time to time. To be taken out for I don’t know how long from this activity can cause more or less damage to your betting results. Is it viable to have automation ready to go when needed or better leave it and continue once you can do it on your own again?

      • Right Winger
        2 March 2017 at 2:58 am #

        No problem Jo.

        Thanks for the clarification. I see what has confused you now. When I said “It really doesn’t matter which days you bet on”, it was in reference to the 2016 Campaign Excel workbook (the free download in this article), where, in the Chrono tab you can see it doesn’t matter which days of the week the bets fall on.

        Some people will remember the (in)famous Maria’s Laying System, which was news around 10 years ago now. It was apparently a hugely successful horse racing lay-betting system (on paper), and ran as a blog thread showcasing Maria turning a modest starting bankroll into £100k in less than a year.

        He or she (it was never clear whether Maria was a real person or a female avatar of the male blog owner), constantly pointed out that bets on a Saturday were always avoided because they tended to create a hole in the profits.

        Personally speaking, I have investigated that system in full and found it was full of flaws. I didn’t agree at the time about Maria’s “Saturday superstition”.

        Anyway, I digress. Yes, we use exchanges occasionally and leave prices as long as we can to get matched. The only bots I am aware of are tuned into Betfair (Market Feeder, Bet Angel, etc.), and with Betfair’s huge commission rate of 5%, it is even harder to find best price than it is with the bookmakers.

        We prefer bookmakers as it is a cleaner process (no calculations required to establish the net of commission odds), and with fewer fears of getting a bet only partially matched.

        I understand your concerns with a situation arising that takes you away for a period of time from continuing the portfolio. I would fill-in the monitoring spreadsheet with the absent bets and see what state each system was in before making the decision whether or not to continue.

        It really depends on the size of your portfolio and the length of the gap. A larger portfolio should withstand a larger gap but I’m afraid I do not have any exact numbers or parameters to back-up this comment.

        We use Soccerstand.com (owned by the Oddsportal family of comapnies) to act as our diary of events, so that we know in advance exactly when the games are coming up. There, you can select the leagues you are interested in and manage just the games you are looking at in a dedicated window.

        We therefore have a safety net of a few days to sort out relief if we know in advance that something is coming up where we won’t be able to attend to the portfolio, but this hasn’t happened to us yet.

        Thanks again for your questions, which I am sure help others to understand a complicated situation much better.

  13. Shomen
    5 March 2017 at 12:27 am #

    Hi, one question. You’ve based your portfolio on odds clusters only. Was that on purpose to begin with or weren’t there any viable strategies in betting on teams and/or ratios?

  14. Right Winger
    6 March 2017 at 2:45 pm #

    Hi Shomen,

    Personally speaking, we have certainly moved away from betting on individual teams, although this analysis is still included in the current format of the HDAFU tables.

    Ratios are still viable, but trying to convey the message to the wider audience is difficult. With odds clusters, it is far easier to understand and explain.

    If the concept of odds clusters is something that we enable our readers to grasp, then I am sure they will also be able to extend their thinking to odds ratios or any other method of clustering results to identify where the areas of perennial profits are.

    Thanks for your question.

  15. Shomen
    6 March 2017 at 6:16 pm #

    Hi right winger, wouldn’t say you took a gamble with The Japan pick? 3 out of 5 seasons were either meager or negative, which might have caused a bumpy ride. In the end 20% of your profits came from this ‘gamble’.

    • Right Winger
      6 March 2017 at 7:04 pm #

      Not quite sure what you mean there, Shomen.

      After filtering the data, Japan was in profit in all five previous seasons – perhaps check the 2016 Campaign spreadsheet again.

      This was one of our ‘perfect’ systems built on five consecutive profitable seasons. No gamble there.

      Away wins has been a target for us in Japan for 2-3 seasons now.

  16. Attila
    6 April 2017 at 12:31 pm #

    Hi Right Winger!

    You said you use the highest closed odds. Its Ok, but my question is: Which bookmakers’ odds? Because on the page Oddsportal there are many soft and small bookmakers for example 1xbet, Marathonbet, Tempobet etc.. who give the highest odds on the market. Why?
    Because the are very slow and they can not follow quickly the oddsmoving.
    Also I would like to know, from which bookmakers odds do you choose when you make the HDAFU tables?

    Thank you!

    • Right Winger
      6 April 2017 at 1:21 pm #

      Hi Attila,

      Thanks for your comment.

      Yes, we use Oddsportal odds but we are also aware of the technical glitches they have.

      Indeed, all sites using API’s to record odds at specific times have problems.

      Certain bookmakers on Oddsportal do not update properly. This can create a situation where a firm’s opening odds never update and end up appearing as their closing odds too. They then stick out like a sore thumb in comparison to the closing odds of others around them.

      Because of this, Oddsportal highest odds at close of the ante post market need to be checked for accuracy. When recording them we use over-round calculations as an indicator of anything that needs to be double-checked.

      Getting accurate odds representative of any one moment in time during the ante post market is the biggest challenge for anyone when compiling data for analysis.

      We have no choice but to use Oddsportal’s compulsory set of 20 bookmakers or so, added to which, are another 10 of the larger, more reliable firms. Our personal portfolio is therefore around 30 bookmakers.

      Many of the problems are caused by Oddsportal’s compulsory list. Problem bookmakers here include Tempobet, Marathonbet, Titanbet, Boylesports, William Hill, to name but a few.

      Contrary to your point about odds moving slowly, I would disagree as no bookmaker wishes to remain with the highest odds on any outcome for any great length of time. They need to keep their books balanced and will dip in and out of the market according to the weight of money they receive from the punters.

      If any one bookmaker were to offer best price some way ahead of its rivals, then it would see a lot of money placed on that outcome as punters shop for the highest price. Receiving a flood of money on one outcome leads to more difficulty balancing the other outcomes.

      Low margin bookmakers (e.g. Pinnacle, Marathonbet) rarely offer best price on the favourites – more usual practice is bigger prices on the more unlikely outcomes.

      It is always educational to watch a site like Pinnacle and see how often their prices move – sometimes several times a minute on the more popular games. Compare this with betting exchanges where prices also fluctuate from minute to minute. Of course, betting exchange prices are influenced and led by the bookmaker prices – if this was not the case, we would all be rich, successful and professional arbitrageurs!

  17. Attila
    6 April 2017 at 3:07 pm #

    Thank you

  18. Jamie
    2 May 2017 at 8:00 am #

    Just wondering what would happen next season in terms of updates, do you provide instructions on how to update the tables or would I be required to buy new updated tables?

    • Right Winger
      3 May 2017 at 2:23 am #

      Hi Jamie,

      Updating the tables each season is a major task. You also need reliable historical odds representative of a certain period in time in order to use the tables most effectively.

      We also upgrade the tables each season with improvements or extra features.

      We are therefore sorry that we cannot provide a user manual for people to upgrade the tables themselves. Besides, in terms of the the time it would take to perform such an exercise, it is probably cheaper for our customers to buy the newest versions.

      The updated Winter League tables will be available in late May, early June, when the 2016-17 seasons have ended.

  19. jo
    4 May 2017 at 2:51 pm #

    Hi Right winger,

    I encountered one problem with Marathonbet a few times and will probably have it in the future. The problem is: I check odds in the Oddsportal on the outcomes having potential to bet on, 1 hour before kick off time odds are quite above my top (or below) inflection point I have to bet on across all bookmakers Oddsportal provides. But less than an hour before kick off time odds dropped significantly across all bookmakers except Marathonbet. Odds provided by all remaining bookmakers dropped within my inflection points with an exception of Marathonbet (and sometimes 1xbet is also slow to follow the market). They lower their odds just 0.2 or so during the last hour, while others move their odds down 0.5-0.6 or so. And if odds at Marathonbet are 4.3 and the rest of the bookmakers have 3.8-3.9. I would say Marathonbet is quite off line and what confuses me the most, these odds are available in their site to bet on, so it’s not Oddsportal fault. If my inflection points are between 3-4 should I care about Marahonbet odds or remaining bookmaker odds considering are the odds within my inflection points or not?

  20. Right Winger
    4 May 2017 at 3:55 pm #

    Hello Jo,

    Marathonbet and 1x2bet seem to be so similar in their odds setting that it is difficult to see that they are not connected in some way. There must be some common denominator connecting both bookmakers (apart from the fact they are both Russian).

    My advice regarding the fluctuations in prices between these two and the rest of the market is to trust the majority as your guide. If the indication of the majority is within your inflection points, but you can get a higher price with Marathonbet or 1x2bet, then place the bet at best price with either of these two.

    But be careful, we have experienced situations where, although the prices on their sites are indeed well above the crowd, stakes are sometimes limited.

    This is just a method of attracting ‘quick’ money to help them balance their books, which is essential practise for low margin bookmakers of this nature.

    I am preparing a paper on odds movements throughout the ante post market, which should be available later this year. It will be a vital addition to your knowledge.

  21. Daniel
    5 May 2017 at 6:03 pm #

    Hi Right Winger!
    How do you split the seasons for the mid-season break? Some seasons have their holiday breaks before the official closing of the first round of games (for example, although this changed in this year, the Italian Serie A had their holiday break just before Christmas, until around a week in the beginning of January, but the first round of games was finishing only one week later. So how do you choose when to split the season in a case like this? Is it on the longer holiday break, making the two halfs slightly different in terms of length, or just the official end of the round?
    Thanks in advance for your reply

    • Right Winger
      6 May 2017 at 11:55 am #

      Hi Daniel,

      Yes, it’s the holiday break – sometimes the two halves of a season do differ in length, but only by a few games and this is not likely to have much statistical significance on the results.

      We split wherever the ‘clean break’ is in the middle of a season.

  22. Daniele
    6 May 2017 at 4:00 am #

    Right Winger,

    let’s suppose for a match on the HDAFU analysis two teams have the same odds. How do you ensure the correct calculations when the system have to count favourites and underdogs? How can Excel manage to understand which one is the real favourite? Maybe you just shorten one of the two by a 0.01 to achieve this purpose?

    • Right Winger
      6 May 2017 at 12:00 pm #

      Hello again Daniele,

      If you’re using Oddsportal to check the odds, and the highest odds are the same for both teams, use the Average Odds as a tie-break.

      Whichever team has the higher average odds, make them the underdog, and vice versa.

      I have never seen a match where the highest odds are the same as each other, and where the average odds are the same as each other.

      For the sake of the HDAFU tables, we do occasionally increase the underdog odds by one tick as you suggest, but this happens so rarely that it should not be a statistical concern at all.

      Hope this helps.

  23. Gabriel
    6 June 2017 at 1:14 am #

    Hi! Congrats on articles!
    I have a tricky question: what happens if “a lot of users” start to use these methods at the same time, finding the same spots for an eventual profit? Wouldn’t these strategies start to become obsolete?

    Thanks!

    • Right Winger
      6 June 2017 at 6:40 pm #

      Hi Gabriel,

      Firstly, we are not giving away systems – merely the tools for individuals to decide upon their own strategies.

      As mentioned in the articles, everyone has their own levels of acceptable risk and, therefore, each person’s portfolio of chosen systems and bets will be different from the next person’s.

      Add to this the facts that each punter will be playing with different levels of stakes and have access to different sets of bookmaker and/or betting exchange accounts.

      Also, one person may not be as disciplined as another regarding the placement of every betting opportunity.

      Therefore, I would say that it is highly unlikely that you will see any noticeable betting patterns affecting the market as a result of any systems being followed by Soccerwidow readers.

  24. Timmyp
    14 June 2017 at 11:39 pm #

    Hi
    What was your starting bank for this cycle with £100 per bet?

    Regards

    T

    • Right Winger
      15 June 2017 at 2:07 am #

      Hi Tim,

      When we began the 2016 Summer League campaign, we started off with £2,000 in various accounts.

      But the official bank size on paper was set arbitrarily at £1,500 to cope with the longest possible losing streak of any one system. Our analysis showed this was 15 losing bets in a row in the Japanese J-League away win strategy.

      I say ‘arbitrarily’ because we never expected to lose 15 bets in a row with all the systems overlapping and supporting one another.

      Thanks for your question.

  25. Timmyp
    14 June 2017 at 11:52 pm #

    Do you think this would work using only an exchange – betfair – for placing bets?

    Regards

    Tim

  26. Right Winger
    15 June 2017 at 2:15 am #

    Hello again Tim,

    Well, one of our accounts is Smarkets, whose commission rate is 2%, so we do use exchanges ourselves.

    Of course, if you wish to use Betfair, then their 5% commission rate will certainly take a chunk of your profits away.

    However, the system should still work – it just won’t earn you as much profit…

  27. Daniel
    15 June 2017 at 7:08 am #

    I can suggest to have a look at Sportmarket Pro. It’s a multiplatform broker like Vodds that includes exchanges like Betfair at 2.5% fixed commisison, Betdaq at 1.2% fixed commission and Matchbook at 1.8% fixed commission ON WINNING BETS only, instead of every bet (winning and losing) like betting on Matchbook website. They also have Pinnacle, SBOBET, and all the major asian bookies. I used them for almost a year now and they are very professional and fast in their withdrawals also. Definitely check it out!

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