25 June 2025

295 thoughts on “True Odds & Value Detector: League Games with H2H History

  1. I do not have quite the time to divide them in 5% increments now, but I’ll try to do it later. From what I see in my spreadsheets now, in the 10% increment probability groups, the longest losing streaks are as follows:

    50-59% probability – 5 consecutive losses
    60-69% probability – 5 consecutive losses
    70-79% probability – 3 consecutive losses

    Bear in mind that each of the three groups only contains abount 160-170 matches.

    1. Thank you!

      Just keep us posted. It always helps to get some other statistics and observations.

  2. “Also, both teams must have played the corresponding fixture at least 6 times in the last 10 years (in other words, the home team has hosted the away team at least 6 times in all competitions (not friendlies) in the last 10 years).”

    Would you mind explaining to me,
    Is a minimum of 6 times H2H enough?
    i noticed small samples of H2H is going to have a lot of weightage, if averaged with a 25 games home or away stats. Hence the true odds is quite a distance compared to bookmaker odds.

    Of course H2H data is really not easy to get.

    Thanks again. Teck Chuan

  3. Hi soccerwidow,

    I would like to ask you something. Is there any one live bet strategy that we can follow to find value bets?

    For example, if a home team is winning 1-0 at the 20 minute mark we can calculate in which games, where the score was 1-0 after 20 minutes, we had a home victory or draw or an away victory. Do you find this strategy right or can you suggest us something else?

    1. Hi Panos,
      Unfortunately, in regards of in-play betting I have to pass, at least if it is required to make a statement about specific goal scoring times and their probabilities. We simply don’t have the data. However, what I can say hand on heart is that it is possible to take value in play in the goal market.

      We have just published the 2nd edition of our Over/Under ‘X’ Goals Betting Course and with the help of the maths and stats explained in it you will be able to calculate probabilities for both, half time and the full time goal market. Then you could chose, for example (depending on your strategy and preferences of course), matches with a high probability of scoring during the first half. These matches can be backed, say O 2.5 goals before kick-off, and then layed as soon as the first goal has been scored (without depending on the time of the goal within the first half). I’m going to address this strategy in more detail in an article to follow. It is actually very much what Dr. Slicer did with his well-known “Lay the 0-0 at HT” strategy.

      1. Thank you, my spreadsheet is with Asian handicap, you emailed all the passwords except for Asian Handicap. I need this one too. Thank you.

  4. Hi,

    Typically I bet on results with a probability of 70% or above, but to see value, that usually means having to ‘lay’ much more often than ‘back’.

    Given the ‘high risk for little reward’ nature of lay betting and the exchange commission, is lay betting advisable as opposed to back betting, or is this likely to end in long term losses?

    Thanks,
    Dave

  5. Hi Soccerwidow, I recently purchased your value bet detector without Asian handicap. I have read through many of the questions and answers by others and I have some of my own about the VBD that I’d like to ask.

    1. When entering the data into the home and away tabs in the spreadsheet from the results of the last 25 matches for the home and away teams in question, should I only include the last 25 normal league matches for both the home and away teams? Or should I also include matches from the likes of the Champions league, Europa league and friendlies? (if these matches have occurred within the last 25 matches played by the home and away teams in question)

    2. I read on your website the VBD is not a tool for automated betting. What exactly does that mean? Do you not recommend using the VBD on its own as a sole basis to decide what bets to take on, for the goal of long term profitable betting by placing value bets? (That is to see what the true odds are for bet types, and then to bet on the value bet selections the VBD identifies?) If not, why not? I’m also wondering, when does or how do you know when salient news renders the true odds given by the VBD inaccurate?
    If the true odds given by the VBD are accurate, would long term betting on value bets given by the spreadsheet, using a level staking plan, not be a good idea in the interests of investing money into making a profit?

    3. I read that you’ve said that the accuracy rate of the VBD is at +/- 5 percent. Is this on all bet types or what bet types does this include? Within the spreadsheet, are there any specific bet types that you are more confident that the given ‘true odds’ are more accurate than other bet types? Say, for example do you think that the ‘true odds’ given by the spreadsheet for the full time result are any more accurate than the ‘true odds’ given for over/under x goals?

    Thanks in advance for answering my questions.

    Best regards,
    Jordan

    1. Hi Jordan,

      1. League matches only

      2. The VC is a calculation tool which helps to make informed decisions if to be or not to bet. Unfortunately, automated betting is impossible. Otherwise, there would be by now enough computer programs developed which would do that, and the bookmakers would be probably already out of business.

      I like comparing betting with running a business. There is no way of automating the set-up process for a business enterprise, even everything is known what requires a ‘good business’ and what makes a business successful. There are too many variables which permanently change.

      In the article What is Value? What is Value Betting? I explain a little what the columns Value I and Value II in the VC actually mean. However, I explain it in far greater detail in my course: Fundamentals of Sports Betting

      3. The VC calculates the past probability ranges which means that similar ranges will be expected in the future. How this exactly works, again I must strongly recommend working through my course Fundamentals of Sports Betting.

      The past probability ranges which the VC shows are all accurate. How much they will be repeated in the future is another question – this is why I write +/-5%. It’s about the Standard Deviation and other correction factors. For the OU goals I have written a whole course, explaining deviations, ranges, fair odds, etc. 1×2 bets are in the pipeline to become a course.

      Best wishes,
      Soccerwidow

  6. Hello Soccerwidow.In the Leagues with play-offs rounds should we also include the play-off’s matches in the last 25 matches or only the matches from regular season?

    1. If the play-offs include teams from the same league (what I doubt) then you can include them if you wish, otherwise stick to matches from the regular season.

      However, keep in mind that there is no need to complicate things… matches from the same league are absolutely sufficient.

  7. Hello Soccerwidow

    Tell me please, is it necessary to input data in the Year/Date coloumns? Isn’t enough to just enter the goals of each game?

    Thanks!

    1. Hi sarkec, no there is no need to put the year/data in the columns. This is just for beauty as we are archiving the value calculators once they are filled in, and it helps later when we need to look back at calculations.

      You’re welcome. 🙂

  8. Thanks, one more question.

    I am planning to use the Lay the Draw strategy with the value calculator.
    This means that if the value calculator says the 0-0 odds is 15 or higher and the draws odds is smaller than 3,5, than I lay the draw and exit the trade after the first goal was scored.
    What do you think about it?
    What do you think, should I use just the value calculator for calulcating 0-0 odds or it’s better if I use the last 5 seasons of data for each team?

    Thanks,

    Szabi

    1. Hi Szabi, there is the statistical phenomena “regression to the mean”. This means that if the value calculator odds indicate a very low probability for the draw but the probability of the league is much higher, then the likelihood increases that it will be a draw in the next game. This is a really funny phenomena, and to understand it fully you will have patiently to wait until I have found the time and written the 1×2 course.

      By the way, a draw can be also a 0-0. Therefore to speculate that there will be a goal in the game is gambling. I would leave this kind of bets alone if you don’t have further information which prove your strategy correct.

  9. hi soccerwidow!
    ive just purchased the value bet calculator and am very much a novice in excel. just wanted to know the quickest way to delete the existing odds data in the column without deletie at a time? i keep trying but end up deleting loads of the other fixed info.

    many thanks
    scott

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