# What is Value? What is Value Betting?

## (5) Computing Value is the First Step for Value Betting

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Computing value and how much of it is contained in a bet is only the first step.

At this point it is important to note that ‘value’ is just a mathematically computed metric. (Formulas to calculate the “mathematical advantage” (ROI) are explained on the previous page). Sure, computing ‘value’ supplies a great parameter, but it is not the finishing line when it comes to ‘value betting’.

The trap that many bettors fall into having understood the ‘value of a bet’ up to this point is that they now bet on everything where a positive value is shown. This is NOT value betting!

Because “taking it all” will usually result in a rather nasty backfire. (Just remember the example earlier about bargain hunters and the observation that they do not necessarily buy what they actually need).

I digress now with an illustration from stock market analysis:

To calculate the value of a share, financial analysts often use methods referred to as “technical analysis”. This means calculating the expected price of a share using publicly available financial information about the companies. They compute their own estimations of expected share prices and compare them to the current market price of a stock. This assesses whether a stock is undervalued or overvalued. However, it is well known that two analysts may well come up with two totally different results. 😀 😥

Furthermore, markets have the nasty habit of taking unexpected turns. Companies, although often quite large in structure, are not well-oiled machines. Even if one can assume that large, well-functioning systems change only very slowly, there are a lot of factors that can cause a sudden reversal. For example, a new technology may quickly make a firm’s or an entire industry’s products redundant, or even more fundamentally, an environmental disaster such as an earthquake or tsunami strikes destabilising local currencies. There is a plethora of unpredictable factors.

Based solely on technical computations, automating an equity share portfolio is simply not possible… and unfortunately, this also applies to betting.

I often receive enquiries about automating my Excel calculation spreadsheet: True Odds & Value Detector: League Games with H2H History not only to compute the true odds (expectated probabilities) as well as both ‘values’ (Value I: mathematical advantage and Value II: relative deviation), but also to highlight pick selections automatically.

Unfortunately, this is asking for the impossible. I cannot cater for every individual’s preferred betting system or portfolio. The True Odds & Value Detector therefore masters and performs a specific function and is not a ‘jack of all trades’ solution.

## (6) Second Step of Value Betting: Assessing and Evaluating

It is important to bear in mind that both computed values (Value I: mathematical advantage and Value II: relative deviation) are only the results of formulas.

Of course, these metrics play a big role in disconnecting emotions from betting decisions. Foremostly, they promote controlled and rational decisions ahead of gut feeling. The computations also provide measurements to allow comparisons to be made between different teams within a league, no matter which league is chosen.

However, even after these mathematical values have been computed (a very important step in itself) one must continue with “assessing and evaluating“.

I shall return to my beer theme as an example:

Imagine you are not a beer drinker yourself and you are expecting guests. They have asked you to get some beer, ideally stout, but they were not specific as to what you should do if you couldn’t find any in the shops. From your neighbour you know that the price for a tin (440ml) should be in the region of £0.80. So, armed with £20, you pop out to your local shop expecting to get four six-packs.

Unfortunately, when you arrive, there is no stout. The shop only has lager, real ale and bitter, all in one litre bottles. The prices are £1.20 for lager, £2.50 for the real ale, and £2.00 for the bitter.

You need to make a decision.

Of course you can now take out your calculator and start computing some figures. One litre of stout would have cost you £1.82. The closest to this price is bitter, but as you are not a beer drinker you are unsure if bitter is an acceptable replacement for stout.

Lager, you calculate, is 34% cheaper than one litre of stout; ale is 37.5% more expensive. Does this really mean that ale is a much better buy, and should you go for it?

You start comparing the alcohol content. You look at the bottles, but cannot decide which the best solution is. You may even talk to the shop assistant or other customers to get a second opinion.

What I am trying to say is that in this (like in many other) ‘normal’ life scenarios you are trying your hardest to get the best ‘value for money’ to fill a need. You not only have to compare prices, bottle sizes and alcohol content, you must “assess and evaluate” all the information available before you can make an informed and balanced decision.

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Last Update: 31 March 2016

### 23 Responses to “What is Value? What is Value Betting?”

1. 17 April 2018 at 7:12 pm #

Hello, have you ever thought about taking in consideration recent Games and their Results of both Teams against common opponents? You can find this information on sites like fussball.wettpoint.com . For example

Team Avellino won 30 % of the Games against common opponents (with 30 % Draws)
and the Team Frosinone won up to today 45 % of these Games (45 % Draw). Adding this stats to the final real odds.

In this particular game the “real odds” according to the spreadsheet are 37.5% 27.1% 35.4% but we can use also the stats from above and make an average of real odds.
So now the real odds should look like this 33.8% 36% and 30.2% for the draw. I hope you understand me my english is not my first language.

• 18 April 2018 at 5:39 pm #

Hi Manu,

if you want to take into consideration recent games then you can only use games against equally strong opponents (find the stats for the last 6 games by HO/AO quotient).

Next, calculate the observed distributions for the 5 previous seasons; without any games of the current season (again, for the HO/AO quotient of the match analysed) That is the ‘expectation’ (expectancy value) for the current season.

Last, take into consideration the phenomenon: Regression toward the Mean. This statistical phenomenon means that if a variable is extreme on its first measurement, it will tend to be closer to the average on its second measurement—and if it is extreme on its second measurement, it will tend to have been closer to the average on its first.

Very simplified example:

• Last 6 games against equally strong opponents as the match analysed: 50% home wins – 30% draws – 20% away wins
• Last five years against equally strong opponents as the match analysed (= expected distribution): 45% home wins – 40% draws – 15% away wins
• “Real” probabilities for the upcoming match (to get closer to the expectancy values): 40% home wins – 50% draws – 10% away wins

Please keep in mind that 1×2 calculations are unfortunately not as straightforward as the above example (e.g. you also have to take goal differences into consideration) but something along these lines.

Hope that helps you to think in the right direction.

Best wishes,
Soccerwidow

2. 23 July 2017 at 5:33 pm #

I have to disagree with you when you say that ‘Betting odds can be converted into implied probabilities but these have little to do with the actual expected distribution of results’. Depending on the market you choose, betting odds are a much better indicator of an event outcome than any other method out there. Given that the chosen bookmaker has enough transctions on a single event, the prediction extracted from odds probabilities are most accurate. The ‘wisdom of the crowd’ is not just a theory it’s a fact and many studies have oroven that.

• 25 July 2017 at 8:38 am #

Hi Max, if bookmakers would always price their odds ‘true’ then they couldn’t stay in business and grow. They have to underprice the most likely outcomes and ensure that the mathematical advantage is always on their side. They utilise the ‘wisdom of the crowd’ to their advantage.

Here are a few articles which explain this enigma a little bit more in detail:

• 25 July 2017 at 1:15 pm #

Hi Soccerwidow

I get what you are saying, but what do you think about articles like this?

According to the efficient market hypothesis, the closing odds provide the most efficient or most accurate representation of the probabilities of actual results, since they reflect the most amount of information expressed in the form of wagers by the betting public.
[…..]
Given the strength of the correlation and its almost perfect 1:1 relationship between expected and observed yields (Football-data.co.uk)

or this one

Through looking at the correlation between the expected probability of a game’s outcome and the actual outcome it is possible to determine how accurate a bookmaker’s odds are. From a sample size of 397,935 football games offered by Pinnacle Sports, a sharp bookmaker, there existed a high correlation (r-squared = 0.997) between the closing lines and the observed probabilities. In other words, Pinnacle’s odds accurately predicted the real world outcome 99.7% of the time. Meaning that that their odds are very efficient. (blog.tradematesports.com)

• 25 July 2017 at 2:04 pm #

The football-data.co.uk article is about the accurancy of the expected Yield, not about the accuracy of odds…

For example, if he bet a team at a price of 2.50 which subsequently closed at 2.00, his expected value would be 2.50/2.00 or 25%. This expected value would thus be equivalent to his expected yield over a larger sample of wagers.

The other article from blog.tradematesports.com is a very long article, and what I can see on the first glance it’s mainly targeted at traders… It’s mainly about that trades close to kick-off reduces the likelihood that the edge will change dramatically.

I agree with the statement that The closing line in high liquidity markets reflects the true odds, because it incorporates all of the information that exists in the market, but there is also the statement Lower liquidity markets are much more volatile and thus riskier than high liquidity markets..

As already said, this article is targeting traders and these people are mainly interested into high liquidity markets, but Soccerwidow is targeting punters and value bettors, and therefore I stick to my statement that Bookmakers’ Odds Match Public Opinion if they can make use of the ‘wisdom of the crowd’, or in other words, of the ‘gut feelings’ of the bettors.

• 25 July 2017 at 8:36 pm #

And isn’t than more effective to use the closing line from high liquidity markets against the small bookmakers who are not able to update their odds in real time. In my opinion this is where we can find real value odds. At least it worked for me for many years. I find it useless to chase all sorts of fantasy stats when you have such a good indicator of a game outcome. At least this is my opinion.

3. 14 November 2016 at 12:40 pm #

Hi,

In your spreadsheet for U 3,5 goals you have a Value 1 = 25,3%, how did you calculate this?

I tried with your method from page 3: (0,52 / 0,42) – 1 = 23,8%

Thanks.

• 15 November 2016 at 6:15 pm #

Hi Pettersen,

the odds (1.42) shown in the spreadsheet originate from 70.67% converted into odds = 1.415028, and then rounded to 1.42 to be shown in the spreadsheet.

The calculation is based on the 1.415028. Please try again, and you will see that it results in 25.3%.

Remember as a general rule always to calculate with percentages, and not with odds.

4. 13 June 2016 at 4:04 pm #

Dear soccerwidow

The above shows how a back bet value edge is counted.

I can’t seems to understand the way you count a lay bet value
Do you mind showing me how?

• 15 June 2016 at 9:08 am #

Hi TechChuan,

to calculate the ‘value’ for a lay bet you have simply to reverse the calculations.

Just repeat the calculations as shown on page #3, and reverse the odds. Assume that the implied probability was 81.3% (market odds 1.23), and the true odds 78.7% (1.27).

• 15 June 2016 at 9:11 am #

thank you very much. Ill look more into it.

Where can I find total goal odds calculation in your web? Ive been looking into every article of yours but I can’t find any info regarding total goal calculation

• 15 June 2016 at 11:08 am #

Dear soccer widow

May I ask which parameter do you weight more before deciding to bet, value or hit rate?

Your site has the most complete knowledge of value bets and probability that i can find.

I have spent many days reading through all your articles. Still a lot to learn from you all.

Thank you so much for your great effort.

TeckChuan

• 15 June 2016 at 11:55 am #

I’m risk avers, so for me, the hit rate is more important.

We have a nice saying in German: Kleinvieh macht auch Mist

The literal translation is: Flock makes also muck. The meaning is that even small amounts add up to big piles. It’s about steadiness.

I think the English proverb equivalent is: Many a little makes a mickle.

• 16 June 2016 at 1:18 am #

Dear soccerwidow
How about the hit rate of a lay bet ?

Say Wales has a true odd of 8.33 to win, market odds is 6.2
So lay bet value is 34% and hit rate of Wales not winning is 88%?

Thanks a lot

• 20 June 2016 at 8:39 am #

Correct!

The lay bet value is 34.35%, and the expected hit rate of Wales not winning 88%.

By the way, the value here calculated is the expected Yield if bets like this are carried out over and over again.

5. 17 August 2015 at 1:07 pm #

TC1 – Thanks for the praise (blush!). Sadly we have no plans at present to re-start a value betting tipping service. Firstly, it was very time-consuming and secondly, very difficult to maintain an ethical approach against a backdrop of clients who praised when things went well, and those who criticised when things didn’t work out for them in the short-run.

Value betting is a long-term strategy but no matter how many times we point this out to people, they still get tense and agitated when the inevitable losing streaks occur. We don’t wish to martyr ourselves again, so producing picks is not on the agenda at this time.

Sorry to disappoint and thanks for all your past and valued contributions to Soccerwidow.

6. 17 August 2015 at 11:13 am #

will you be resuming your tips ( value bets ) like you produced for Betfair , always found them very good

7. 27 March 2015 at 9:16 pm #

just, Thank You!

I do need to read again.. and probably again and again and again, but this is the first thing ever that makes even a starter amount of sense (I am a bookie offer taker) but never believed all offers were “long term” value

8. 20 December 2014 at 1:35 pm #

Hi Soccerwidow! Thank for your site. How find value in correct score market? Can we apply this article to correct score market? Thanks

9. 27 April 2014 at 8:36 am #

Hi Soccerwidow,

thanks a lot for your articles.
I think I found a small error in the alternative calculation method on page 3.
It says: 100 × 10 × 0.23 × 81.3% = 219.51 units
Correct would be 0.27 instead of 0.23. The result stays the same.

Daniel

• 27 April 2014 at 1:07 pm #

Hi Daniel,

Many thanks for taking the trouble to point out the typing error, which has now been corrected.

Your support is greatly appreciated,
Soccerwidow 🙂